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Old 07-21-2012 | 08:57 AM
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I read a report that him told them about the apartment and then the police viewed the inside of the place using a ladder truck from the fire department. At that report - a day or so later - they still had not even entered the apartment.

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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
I guess close is good enough if we are talking horseshoes hand grenades and gun control. I notice you used the word "almost" there skipper.
The real hero of Tucson was unarmed when he manhandled the gun away from Loughner. Subsequently, the open carry Wyatt Earp saw him standing there with a Glock in his hand and described himself later as "lucky" for not shooting, putting a
point on exactly how close the actual hero came to being the victim of friendly fire.

This happened in daylight - not a darkened theater where tear gas canisters had
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Old 07-21-2012 | 10:16 AM
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Thoughts and prayers with the families...

How do we protect our families and ourselves?
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Originally Posted by jungle
It is also difficult to prepare for stark raving insanity.
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No matter how insane some people may be, they still understand that their best odds are against a group of innocent, unarmed people in an enclosed area.
Good points Jungle. When thugs walk into a convenience store to rob it while armed, the weapon is for intimidation. Look at all the youtube vids of thugs walking in, the proprietor or somebody else takes action with a firearm or quick reaction, and the thugs flee. THe thugs had NO intention of taking lives. And if they do shoot back, it's in the "gansta'" style sideways postion, while fleeing, and the only chance they have of hitting the target is by pure luck.

Whereas this person, like other incidents, had ALREADY made the decions that he was going to take lives. Because as you pointed out, insanity and lunacy. Which raises the point that IF a ccw person was present and took action, the chances of him dropping his weapon and fleeing are non existant. A gun shot or rounds flying by him probably would not have deterred him. He was hell bent and on a mission.

Taking us to the nest point.......

Originally Posted by UnusualAttitude
Average shooter probably can't make that shot in well lit range scenario. Very difficult in actual situation. Extremely difficult in dark theatre with mass chaos. The reason I said slow him down is that we really don't know how he would have reacted if the bullets started flying at him. He may have well retreated or he may have turned that AK right at you and that could be that.

In the end there is no way to say what could have happened. We are only learning what happened and how to better prepare ourselves if this ever happened again.

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Yep, see the above. Who REALLY knows what would have happened? But if you've ever seen the footage from the L.A. bank robbery years ago, it plays into your initial points. That was in broad day light, NOT a dark theatre. There was no tear gas or whatever else, there was no crowd of people causing confusion in a confined area. The people shooting at bank robbers were trained police officers. They STILL didn't drop they're weapons and try to run. They simply fought back.
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Originally Posted by N2264J
The real hero of Tucson was unarmed when he manhandled the gun away from Loughner. Subsequently, the open carry Wyatt Earp saw him standing there with a Glock in his hand and described himself later as "lucky" for not shooting, putting a
point on exactly how close the actual hero came to being the victim of friendly fire.

This happened in daylight - not a darkened theater where tear gas canisters had
been deployed.

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So do you have a point. Here is mine, I'll bet he couldnt have afforded all the ammo he bought if not for the pell grants and guvmint student loans. If we are going off in tangents I say let us really go for it.
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Originally Posted by UASIT
Thoughts and prayers with the families...

How do we protect our families and ourselves?
Get your Concealed carry permit, practice 2+ times a month. After following the stories on the internet i was expecting a lot of "BAN GUNS" comments but now i think people realize the only way to stop this is being armed trained and prepared.


Really good video on concealed carry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei8OK4WdoW0

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Old 07-21-2012 | 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Herb Flemmming
Get your Concealed carry permit, practice 2+ times a month. After following the stories on the internet i was expecting a lot of "BAN GUNS" comments but now i think people realize the only way to stop this is being armed trained and prepared.


Really good video on concealed carry.
"The Concealed Carry Protocol" by Nutnfancy - YouTube
What would you have done to "stop this" if you were there?
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