Engine failure mid air
09-14-2014, 07:01 AM
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With respect to the Navy training for instance, are we talking a SE GA after an approach to the boat (with basically nothing to hit other than the water?) With respect to a SE GA in airline type equipment, are we talking essentially a SE GA in VFR conditions or navigating a more challenging scenario involving a possibly more challenging published missed; and if so would that be the missed published for the original approach? (meaning maybe you found yourself flying a SE ILS but could possibly only meet the climb/terrain clearance requirements for a localizer published missed to the same runway)
09-14-2014, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Yoda2
With respect to the Navy training for instance, are we talking a SE GA after an approach to the boat (with basically nothing to hit other than the water?) With respect to a SE GA in airline type equipment, are we talking essentially a SE GA in VFR conditions or navigating a more challenging scenario involving a possibly more challenging published missed; and if so would that be the missed published for the original approach? (meaning maybe you found yourself flying a SE ILS but could possibly only meet the climb/terrain clearance requirements for a localizer published missed to the same runway)
09-14-2014, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by OrionDriver
It's pretty much the central part of our (the Navy's) multi engine training - shoot a single engine approach down to mins and execute a missed. Worst case scenario.
Good training.
Good training.
I just simply said, it's NOT on EVERY check ride you'll ever take.
It may be done on a trained event (MV) but NOT on the checked event, etc. Or, simply not on either event, etc.
I've had type rides where it was a trained, but WASNT on the type ride (ya know, ACTUAL check ride) itself.
09-14-2014, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by John Carr
I KNOW it is.
I just simply said, it's NOT on EVERY check ride you'll ever take.
It may be done on a trained event (MV) but NOT on the checked event, etc. Or, simply not on either event, etc.
I've had type rides where it was a trained, but WASNT on the type ride (ya know, ACTUAL check ride) itself.
I just simply said, it's NOT on EVERY check ride you'll ever take.
It may be done on a trained event (MV) but NOT on the checked event, etc. Or, simply not on either event, etc.
I've had type rides where it was a trained, but WASNT on the type ride (ya know, ACTUAL check ride) itself.
If this was true, we'd have smoking craters from piper senecas and navajos all over the place.
09-14-2014, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
Yes, the original statement was ridiculous. He said "EVERY" checkride in "MULTIENGINE" aircraft.
If this was true, we'd have smoking craters from piper senecas and navajos all over the place.
If this was true, we'd have smoking craters from piper senecas and navajos all over the place.
In the summer, the standard joke applied;
"How good does it fly on 1 engine?"
"Good enough to get you to the crash site"
One of the aircraft I've flown in the 121 environment could climb at 2000 FPM on one engine at intermediate weights. Another one, well, the flight ops engineering people had all sorts of PFM and special procedures for all the high elevation/mountainous places we flew to comply with a 4 segment profile. But the SAD truth is, I'd NEVER want to validate it.
09-14-2014, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by cnovini
Hi
Second training video was shutting down an engine mid air on the Boeing 737-800
Second training video was shutting down an engine mid air on the Boeing 737-800
BTW,
Originally Posted by cnovini
I am not going to post anything more on this forum and I am going to unsubscribe myself. I am not forcing anybody to watch the videos in the first place!.
09-14-2014, 11:02 AM
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Hey James, easy on us Navajo drivers! I were one! Actually most smaller piston twins are often all referred to as light twins. If I recall correctly, only those under 6K gross Wt are technically light twins and have no climb requirement, only that they maintain heading. Those twins over that weight, even piston powered are subject to a climb capability as well, albeit it ain't much... But yes plenty of Senecas have bit the dust, many in flight training or with low timers or high weights, Etc.
09-14-2014, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by John Carr
I KNOW it is.
I just simply said, it's NOT on EVERY check ride you'll ever take.
It may be done on a trained event (MV) but NOT on the checked event, etc. Or, simply not on either event, etc.
I've had type rides where it was a trained, but WASNT on the type ride (ya know, ACTUAL check ride) itself.
I just simply said, it's NOT on EVERY check ride you'll ever take.
It may be done on a trained event (MV) but NOT on the checked event, etc. Or, simply not on either event, etc.
I've had type rides where it was a trained, but WASNT on the type ride (ya know, ACTUAL check ride) itself.
I haven't a clue if they do it at the boat, not a boat guy.
Previously I assumed that SE training was done on any multi engine checkride, but this appears to not be the case. My familiarity with GA is very limited.
09-14-2014, 02:48 PM
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The PTS guide a civilian checkride. There is a requirement for a single engine approach and landing in a two engine airplane. Anything beyond that is extra (we'll skip the 3 and 4 engine 50% rule for now.)
09-14-2014, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Twin Wasp
The PTS guide a civilian checkride. There is a requirement for a single engine approach and landing in a two engine airplane. Anything beyond that is extra (we'll skip the 3 and 4 engine 50% rule for now.)
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