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Originally Posted by saturn
(Post 1781833)
Confession:
I got something out of my flight bag once. It took attention away from monitoring for several seconds. I've often been so engrossed pulling out, filing through pages and reading FAA mandated charts that I've had to say, "say again.." or ask "what fix did he give us"? I've also missed as a crew radio calls for funny jokes and interesting conversations. I've done a puzzle or game, ate some food, fixated on scenery out the window, read a thing, made non-critical banter below 10k. I don't know if I've flown with anyone who can't say the same. Let any required and non required duty be be done with wisdom, prudentcy and situational awareness. This is what prevents actions from becoming a safety issue, not some arbitrary regulation. Reading the release is probably more distracting than snapping a picture (head up vs head down), though both may not be appropriate at a given phase. And if it can be managed, look back and forth ever so often and scan and cross-check. As it relates to taking a picture, it can take all but a few seconds, and you can also stop midway and do a scan of the instruments, and back to the camera. Essentially it is the exact same thing as staring at something out the window for a few seconds, you're just viewing it through a screen and hitting a button. PEDs have a stigma, probably because of how it relates to driving. Viewing photons emitted from a PED is always reckless but viewing photons reflected from a city, sunset, mountain, piece of paper can be properly managed. Its perception, not reality. Be smart with with what-when-how you do anything in the flight deck, and for love, be smart about social media. This reminds me of the quote from Top Gun: "I saw an amazing sunset reflected in my RayBans, my iPhone was next to me and I could visualize the picture, there was no danger - so I took it!" |
Originally Posted by AxlF16
(Post 1781853)
The difference is some of those things are required tasks for your job...others are violations of FAR and/or company policy. If I'm very skillful and can fly under the Golden Gate Bridge without problems - does that make it acceptable?
This reminds me of the quote from Top Gun: "I saw an amazing sunset reflected in my RayBans, my iPhone was next to me and I could visualize the picture, there was no danger - so I took it!" My point: There is nothing overly distracting or task heavy about pointing and shooting a photo on a PED, and can be managed without compromising safety in anyway when done with some common sense and situational awareness. It takes more focus and attention to fold the USA Today, grab a box of tissues behind you or pick up a peanut that fell under your seat than: 1- hit ON, 2-look out the window via camera, 3-hit a button. Well, I guess it is comparable to flying under the Golden Gate. |
Originally Posted by mike734
(Post 1781563)
I don't think any of us have anything to worry about. But the first guy who dents some metal and was texting at the same time, could be a problem.
Originally Posted by AxlF16
(Post 1781690)
Ya think?
If you can't stop yourself from being a dumbass, from violating FARs, or from violating your companies policies - at least don't post the evidence in the public domain:confused: Strike that - post away and get culled from the herd:D. Darwinism works! The best story I've heard on the topic was about AA. Allegedly, while the AA guys were slowing down, one of their Chief Pilots was taxiing in. Apparently, he didn't like the speed the AA Captain in front of him was moving, so he whipped out his cell phone to find out who the Captain was for future action. Funny thing was, the only guy busted was the CP for violating sterile cockpit. |
Originally Posted by Packrat
(Post 1781930)
So, if you don't have an accident or incident, its OK to ignore the FARs you personally don't agree with?
Amen. Sing it, Sister. |
Originally Posted by CBreezy
(Post 1781931)
This must be the thread of people who've never knowingly violated a FAR
It always amazed me how differently some Captains operated when there was a Fed or a Check Airman in the jumpseat. |
Although there's nothing illegal about posting names and/or pics from a public forum (in general) it's pretty low ball, sucker punch journalism. It's allegations of illegal activity. The author was not there. Who's to say the photographer didn't photo shop it, make a false claim, etc. He has convicted these pilots in the press without a trial. These are alleged violations, not factual.
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Originally Posted by Packrat
(Post 1781491)
I guess you classify anyone that who points out that what YOU'RE doing is not only stupid, but against the regs.
If everyone who did something like this got fired or his license pulled, it would dry up pretty quick. No, thats not what i meant..I was referring to the author being a jack@ass because of the tone he takes, sounds like a self-made expert, even says the kid works for United at 26...funny stuff. What I AM doing? Hahaha yea cuz those are my lame aviation photos in his article!... I see this stuff everyday, don't need pictures to remind me or show off to others. No one gives a crap what we do for a living. And I don't want anyone to see my sh!tty approach or flying while I should've been working. Anyways, I've had a long day and for some reason felt like chiming in again. 99% of folks here misunderstand and say things like you did. So have at it, I won't entertain ya anymore [emoji6] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by Std Deviation
(Post 1781961)
Although there's nothing illegal about posting names and/or pics from a public forum (in general) it's pretty low ball, sucker punch journalism. It's allegations of illegal activity. The author was not there. Who's to say the photographer didn't photo shop it, make a false claim, etc. He has convicted these pilots in the press without a trial. These are alleged violations, not factual.
What Std D said, he has such a way with words, I'm not as articulate Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Uproar over Qaurtz from Instagram pilots
The pilots of Instagram: beautiful views from the cockpit, violating rules of the air ? Quartz
Possible that many on here are 'too old' for instagram, but I thought I should share and get some input. Honestly, this article is a load of **. Many IG pilots pages have now been deactivated and many are going private. I have don't have nive words to say about this 'reporter'. ***********Already Been Posted***** http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...instagram.html |
This story is going to air on CBS Morning News this morning, according to their opening tease.
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Just wait till the news media gets a hold of this forum and the general public start to read it.
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Originally Posted by tom11011
(Post 1782320)
Just wait till the news media gets a hold of this forum and the general public start to read it.
Learn to express your opinion without using foul language. There is a time and place for that...but learn other ways of expressing yourself:). The 'rules are the rules' and it's your fault if you get caught breaking the rules. Arguing that the rules are 'dumb' is NOT a defense. If you don't like the rules - then work to get them changed. Figure out where you are on the totem pole before you open your mouth. What you say should reflect your 'power position'. If you can't say what you want and/or don't like your position - then work to change it. Don't complain about, or be surprised by, the consequences if you insist on speaking your mind regardless of your power position. LIFE ISN'T FAIR. Nobody is going to carve out a special set of rules for you based on your superior intellect, skill, and good intentions. The rules are built to protect everyone from the 'lowest common denominator', so don't be surprised if you're judged by the same standards as the lowest common denominator. You may get a break from time to time, but don't expect one. The rules aren't applied to people who don't get caught breaking them. If you break a rule and get caught, it doesn't matter that someone else did it 30 seconds before you...they didn't get caught, and you did. I can't even scratch the surface of the practical applications of this one :eek:. BTW, my kids learned these things in Middle School. |
If he could at least be accurate in the listing of FAR violations. For example, you are NOT violating sterile cockpit if you are doing a non-flying duty on the ground with the parking brake set. Says so in company FOMs. The specific reference I can think of goes something like this: "PAs other than the 'be seated' PA specifically required by the before takeoff checklist may be done outside sterile cockpit (hereafter defined as the period with aircraft not moving and parking brake set.)" This permits you to, for example, make a PA talking about a delay in takeoff where you turn off the seat belt sign and allow cell phone usage while occupying a taxiway. You are at that point no longer in sterile cockpit.
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Originally Posted by cencal83406
(Post 1782373)
If he could at least be accurate in the listing of FAR violations. For example, you are NOT violating sterile cockpit if you are doing a non-flying duty on the ground with the parking brake set. Says so in company FOMs. The specific reference I can think of goes something like this: "PAs other than the 'be seated' PA specifically required by the before takeoff checklist may be done outside sterile cockpit (hereafter defined as the period with aircraft not moving and parking brake set.)" This permits you to, for example, make a PA talking about a delay in takeoff where you turn off the seat belt sign and allow cell phone usage while occupying a taxiway. You are at that point no longer in sterile cockpit.
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Originally Posted by AxlF16
(Post 1782335)
Let's hope that doesn't happen. Frankly, as a professional pilot, I find a lot of the attitudes and opinions expressed here embarrassing. There are some basic lessons I teach my kids that some here appear to have never learned.
Learn to express your opinion without using foul language. There is a time and place for that...but learn other ways of expressing yourself:). The 'rules are the rules' and it's your fault if you get caught breaking the rules. Arguing that the rules are 'dumb' is NOT a defense. If you don't like the rules - then work to get them changed. Figure out where you are on the totem pole before you open your mouth. What you say should reflect your 'power position'. If you can't say what you want and/or don't like your position - then work to change it. Don't complain about, or be surprised by, the consequences if you insist on speaking your mind regardless of your power position. LIFE ISN'T FAIR. Nobody is going to carve out a special set of rules for you based on your superior intellect, skill, and good intentions. The rules are built to protect everyone from the 'lowest common denominator', so don't be surprised if you're judged by the same standards as the lowest common denominator. You may get a break from time to time, but don't expect one. The rules aren't applied to people who don't get caught breaking them. If you break a rule and get caught, it doesn't matter that someone else did it 30 seconds before you...they didn't get caught, and you did. I can't even scratch the surface of the practical applications of this one :eek:. BTW, my kids learned these things in Middle School. |
It's interesting how as a society, we are absolutely demanding things like cars that drive themselves and airplanes that fly themselves, so we can surf the internet, take pics, talk with people, while we "do" these things. This is why so many car manufacturers are currently developing cars that drive themselves, because we as consumers and operators are absolutely demanding it. Look left and right at any stop sign or light, usually the person is on their phone. How many people have "whipped it out" while on the road? Probably everyone and some worse than others. This is bleeding over to all sorts of other industries, but it feels like a steady march to me. People literally can not help themselves. I too believe there is likely a line of good judgement where you can take beautiful pictures above 10,000. I've seen plenty of people whip out SLRs even, but the things that are posted on the internet on approach and landing just demonstrate what I said above. People can not help themselves. No matter what the "punishment" is, people will still do things like this, which requires the design to eliminate the problem, which usually turns out to be automation and taking that responsibility away from whomever it is.
Of course, I'm talking long term, 20, 50, 100 years, but these are the forces and movements I see. |
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Pilots and their dangerous photos!
Apparently CBS decided to take this flame bait and run with it.
Are Instagramming airline pilots violating the law? - Videos - CBS News |
I see him having traveling trouble in his future.
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Yeah he looked like an idiot. No reason for this investigation was given. The reporters even seem to question his motives. Favorite part..."So is the FAA investigating or doing anything about it?" "No." "Hmm." "Yeah but my contact at the NTSB says we should be proactive about these kinds of things."
STOP! AIR TRAVEL IS UNSAFE!!!! WE NEED TO HAVE A GIANT NEWS STORY ABOUT THIS!!!!! I sincerely hope some other news media has him on debating someone with an opposing view point who just shuts him down on national tv. Maybe I'll apply for that position and reach out. |
Social media once again shows that it is a deadly two sided sword.
You see it almost daily where for example; a politician, entertainment/sports figure, right on down the line, cannot keep his or hers mouth shut and makes an incredibly stupid posting in one or more of the various social media formats and it instantly bites them! No thought is given to spending even a minute or two understanding what the ramifications might be of what is posted/displayed and that it remains out there forever. If you think about it for a minute; social media, in a way, is really like what people used CB radios mainly for: B.S’ing about anything and everything while boasting about what they knew and did. The difference now; you reach a world audience and everything is captured forever (now including visual media). Twitter and all similar social media vehicles are the samurai swords that when used improperly, assist their users in committing instant Seppuku (sometimes literally). |
"There are times where pilots can't even sip their coffee" Another sue happy stupid a$$ American. His wife probably boned a pilot.
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Twat wanker....
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Well the totd winner came early today, don't think anyone can top that guy.
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When David talks about cruise flight he implies that taking a picture is more distracting than doing a crossword...I don't see it. Doing a crossword takes more mental power and removes ones mind further from the cockpit than taking a picture. He' just bored and grasping for the next big story. Now the pictures taken during sterile times I do not agree with.
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Sky Gods ranting about Gen X/Millennial Regional pilots with phones in 3...2...1...
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You know what's more distracting...letting idiots like him on board. People need to mind their own damn buisiness.
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I know this is dating me a youngin', but that guy reminds me of Randell from Recess
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Originally Posted by Humblepielot
(Post 1782492)
When David talks about cruise flight he implies that taking a picture is more distracting than doing a crossword...I don't see it. Doing a crossword takes more mental power and removes ones mind further from the cockpit than taking a picture. He' just bored and grasping for the next big story. Now the pictures taken during sterile times I do not agree with.
I think that piece was simply a mountain made out of a molehill in many respects. |
The guys Facebook has a lot of pictures. Any good meme artists out there?
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This is a Washington state law. Someone needs to send this article to that jackwagon. He could talk about how this law is broken all of the time and how it is dangerous to the public and will result in the next "plague" where millions of children will die...all because someone went outside when they had a cold which is illegal in Washington.
RCW 70.54.050 Exposing contagious disease -- Penalty. Every person who shall wilfully expose himself to another, or any animal affected with any contagious or infectious disease, in any public place or thoroughfare, except upon his or its necessary removal in a manner not dangerous to the public health; and every person so affected who shall expose any other person thereto without his knowledge, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor. |
Originally Posted by jmcke
(Post 1781476)
what I am trying to say is the pilot who is flying the aircraft should not be video taping on any device that includes phones, camera and gopro now if your handling the radio I am fine with that. I never use the restroom if I am the one flying
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Originally Posted by ILOVELAMP
(Post 1782442)
I see him having traveling trouble in his future.
No, I didn't think so neither... |
No coffee below 10K. I can see the airplanes falling out of the sky now.
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Originally Posted by gringo
(Post 1782859)
After watching that all I can say is, this tool needs to get a life. :rolleyes: |
A few to get the ball rolling...
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...s6c71dfc5.jpeg http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...sa0822c73.jpeg |
Originally Posted by 402DRVR
(Post 1782875)
No coffee below 10K. I can see the airplanes falling out of the sky now.
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Originally Posted by saturn
(Post 1781833)
Viewing photons emitted from a PED is always reckless but viewing photons reflected from a city, sunset, mountain, piece of paper can be properly managed. Its perception, not reality. Be smart with with what-when-how you do anything in the flight deck, and for love, be smart about social media.
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It's the smugness about him that's so off putting. Wow, let's focus energies on "pilots taking pictures are an epidemic, oh no!"
Two idiots at Northwest.... Are Instagramming airline pilots violating the law? - Videos - CBS News |
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