Time to Jump ship from Hawaiian?
03-16-2019 | 07:40 PM
#191
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Excellent point. HAL fares to Hilo can get steep during Merrie Monarch.
So, same dates for
SWA Tulsa-Lubbock: $635.36
HAL HNL-Hilo: 209.94
Unless there's an international festival in Lubbock this week I didn't hear about!
Omaha-Kansas City? $779.36
Guys, you're missing the point. There's this myth that HAL overcharges on interisland fares, when all the evidence says this isn't true.
Someone will find a $49 fare from somewhere to somewhere, and that's great. I'm just trying to be Joe Q. Public here and pretend I need to get somewhere on Monday morning.
So long as SWA keeps doing what it's doing with the fare structure, there's room for everyone.
So, same dates for
SWA Tulsa-Lubbock: $635.36
HAL HNL-Hilo: 209.94
Unless there's an international festival in Lubbock this week I didn't hear about!
Omaha-Kansas City? $779.36
Guys, you're missing the point. There's this myth that HAL overcharges on interisland fares, when all the evidence says this isn't true.
Someone will find a $49 fare from somewhere to somewhere, and that's great. I'm just trying to be Joe Q. Public here and pretend I need to get somewhere on Monday morning.
So long as SWA keeps doing what it's doing with the fare structure, there's room for everyone.
The fact remains that those people can’t drive unlike those on the mainland, so they are likely more price sensitive. Part of the limitation of living in sparsely populated islands where the best services (doctors) are found on Oahu. Price of paradise, but HAL becomes an easy scapegoat.
Otherwise HAL kicks SWA okole in the pricing of parabolic flying routes. Despite what the media portrays...
03-16-2019 | 07:52 PM
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I've never seen local media outlets gushing over an airline entrance so much before with Southwest coming to Hawaii. About 99% of the comments online are all negative with Hawaiian and about 99% positive with Southwest. I think it's gotten to the point where Hawaii people would let them set up a HQ in Iolani Palace already.
03-16-2019 | 07:52 PM
#194
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Excellent point. HAL fares to Hilo can get steep during Merrie Monarch.
So, same dates for
SWA Tulsa-Lubbock: $635.36
HAL HNL-Hilo: 209.94
Unless there's an international festival in Lubbock this week I didn't hear about!
Omaha-Kansas City? $779.36
Guys, you're missing the point. There's this myth that HAL overcharges on interisland fares, when all the evidence says this isn't true.
Someone will find a $49 fare from somewhere to somewhere, and that's great. I'm just trying to be Joe Q. Public here and pretend I need to get somewhere on Monday morning.
So long as SWA keeps doing what it's doing with the fare structure, there's room for everyone.
So, same dates for
SWA Tulsa-Lubbock: $635.36
HAL HNL-Hilo: 209.94
Unless there's an international festival in Lubbock this week I didn't hear about!
Omaha-Kansas City? $779.36
Guys, you're missing the point. There's this myth that HAL overcharges on interisland fares, when all the evidence says this isn't true.
Someone will find a $49 fare from somewhere to somewhere, and that's great. I'm just trying to be Joe Q. Public here and pretend I need to get somewhere on Monday morning.
So long as SWA keeps doing what it's doing with the fare structure, there's room for everyone.
I could give a $hit about this silly argument, but the reason for those prices is because it is spring break in the central time zone. Every flight is sold out this weekend pretty much to and from anywhere in the middle of the country. My wife is nonrevving and had to drive 200 miles to another station to get out of this time zone.
Back to sniping at one another over things that none of us can effect.
03-16-2019 | 07:54 PM
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Best post of the thread! I almost spit out my food.
If you are the guy running the Gary Kelly parody twitter account, please keep posting. We miss you!
03-16-2019 | 08:04 PM
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Fact check contd.
Anti-merger sentiment was a clear-eyed look at the economics of AQ and knowing that a merger would have resulted in economic failure and everyone getting stapled somewhere. Even with $20million ASTB stabilization loan, AQ lost, what was it, $40 million? Still running 737-200s from the early '70s and hoping their competitor goes out of business wasn't working... We'd all have been career FOs, instead now the former AQ people are widebody captains at HAL, welcomed with open arms in 2008. Go figure.
Anti-merger sentiment was a clear-eyed look at the economics of AQ and knowing that a merger would have resulted in economic failure and everyone getting stapled somewhere. Even with $20million ASTB stabilization loan, AQ lost, what was it, $40 million? Still running 737-200s from the early '70s and hoping their competitor goes out of business wasn't working... We'd all have been career FOs, instead now the former AQ people are widebody captains at HAL, welcomed with open arms in 2008. Go figure.
So that was a $83 million deficit year (on revenue of, what 200M?) and management's hail mary was the merger. What happened next? 2004 bankruptcy, Banmiller, etc.
I say again: With the merger, none of our friends from AQ would be in the left seat of an A330 deciding where they're having ramen in Osaka tonight. So please don't describe the few wise men who organized against the merger as having been fuelled by hate, they were looking two moves ahead and wanted at least one local carrier to survive. Heck, as a newish guy I sorta thought the merger made sense, but when the numbers became available there was no ignoring the facts.
03-16-2019 | 10:05 PM
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I could give a $hit about this silly argument, but the reason for those prices is because it is spring break in the central time zone. Every flight is sold out this weekend pretty much to and from anywhere in the middle of the country. My wife is nonrevving and had to drive 200 miles to another station to get out of this time zone.
Back to sniping at one another over things that none of us can effect.
Back to sniping at one another over things that none of us can effect.
Enlighten me, what's the hot spring break destination here, Tulsa or Lubbock?
Same routes. Mid April:
SWA: $420
HAL: $190
No SXSW, no spring break.
Again, no one's upset about a competitor who charges a fair price. Mesa's sin was charging below cost to put our friends out of business.
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