Time to Jump ship from Hawaiian?
03-05-2019, 09:18 AM
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All good things must come to an end. Maybe this is the time we get bought or merge. Hopefully it's one of the big 3 if that happens.
LUV will put a dent in our inter-island flying. A 717 displacement bid on the horizon? Southwest inter-island is great for the people of Hawai'i, but a big bummer if your an employee at HA.
LUV will put a dent in our inter-island flying. A 717 displacement bid on the horizon? Southwest inter-island is great for the people of Hawai'i, but a big bummer if your an employee at HA.
03-05-2019, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by WhaleSurfing
Agree that Alaska is the carrier that needs to be worried. It’s not just the California-Hawaii market, they’ve also tried to make inroads Intra-California against SWA and they’re failing miserably. Both of these market revenue streams are going to take a big hit for AAG.
Yep. AAG management is pretty chaotic right now.
03-05-2019, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Makai
All good things must come to an end. Maybe this is the time we get bought or merge. Hopefully it's one of the big 3 if that happens.
LUV will put a dent in our inter-island flying. A 717 displacement bid on the horizon? Southwest inter-island is great for the people of Hawai'i, but a big bummer if your an employee at HA.
LUV will put a dent in our inter-island flying. A 717 displacement bid on the horizon? Southwest inter-island is great for the people of Hawai'i, but a big bummer if your an employee at HA.
03-05-2019, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Hawaiian 5O
Agreed. I think the Alaska pilots that like HI layovers should be more worried about SWA coming off the west coast.
This. There's a reason our ETOPS briefing rooms have a shark going after a salmon with its mouth wide open on the wall...(at least in the artist renderings)
03-05-2019, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450
This. There's a reason our ETOPS briefing rooms have a shark going after a salmon with its mouth wide open on the wall...(at least in the artist renderings)
Hahahaha.
There’s a market for BOTH SWA and HAL doing Inter Island. The other thing we need to remember at HAL Is that island air just went out of business. These Southwest flights at least for the foreseeable future are not going to do much more than replace what island air was doing.
Yes, a couple years down the road this could get really ugly for us but at least for the immediate future I’m not worried.
No SWA hate out here at all.
03-05-2019, 10:57 AM
#36
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Originally Posted by WindWalker999
Wasn’t there talk of adding interisland legs to NEO trips at HAL? Guess SWA jumped into that market share. So at HAL what is going on with the JAL deal that was all over the news last year? Will that increase interisland codeshare traffic when it kicks in full bore?
As far as the JAL JV, still no word on that. From what I've heard from friends at Hawaiian, parts of the JV might affect scope language in the contract, so that needs to get sorted out too. JAL supposively wants to take their fleet from the leisure Hawaii market into the more lucrative business market, and let Hawaiian do the Japan flying. But JAL wants to create a low cost carrier that flies to Hawaii at the same time.
Maybe Southwest expansion into Hawaii will scare off Ingram and investors to finally sell and merge in the end. Hawaiian has lasted 90 years by itself and seems fairly confident in the media to compete agressively against the cash cow of Southwest. Only time will tell how this all plays out.
03-05-2019, 11:46 AM
#38
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Originally Posted by Hawaiian 5O
Hahahaha.
There’s a market for BOTH SWA and HAL doing Inter Island. The other thing we need to remember at HAL Is that island air just went out of business. These Southwest flights at least for the foreseeable future are not going to do much more than replace what island air was doing.
Yes, a couple years down the road this could get really ugly for us but at least for the immediate future I’m not worried.
No SWA hate out here at all.
There’s a market for BOTH SWA and HAL doing Inter Island. The other thing we need to remember at HAL Is that island air just went out of business. These Southwest flights at least for the foreseeable future are not going to do much more than replace what island air was doing.
Yes, a couple years down the road this could get really ugly for us but at least for the immediate future I’m not worried.
No SWA hate out here at all.
Wait until SWA sees just how big of a cashcow interisland really is... I don't think the bean counters in Dallas realize that just yet. Once they figure it out, watch us throw -700's into the ETOPS mix and doing what Aloha did back in the day flying interisland. But unlike Aloha, which was poorly run, undercapitalized, debt-laden, flying the old clacked out -200's interisland, and having that market be literally the bulk of its existence, Southwest is a vastly different animal.
I think Hawaiian's strengths are actually in the long haul flying and I think focusing on that will keep Hawaiian going strong. If Hawaiian decided to go toe-to-toe with Southwest, that'd be a BAD, BAD, BAD move.
03-05-2019, 11:56 AM
#39
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Originally Posted by Hawaiian 5O
Hahahaha.
There’s a market for BOTH SWA and HAL doing Inter Island. The other thing we need to remember at HAL Is that island air just went out of business. These Southwest flights at least for the foreseeable future are not going to do much more than replace what island air was doing.
Yes, a couple years down the road this could get really ugly for us but at least for the immediate future I’m not worried.
No SWA hate out here at all.
There’s a market for BOTH SWA and HAL doing Inter Island. The other thing we need to remember at HAL Is that island air just went out of business. These Southwest flights at least for the foreseeable future are not going to do much more than replace what island air was doing.
Yes, a couple years down the road this could get really ugly for us but at least for the immediate future I’m not worried.
No SWA hate out here at all.
No hate towards anyone, it's just business.
03-05-2019, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
Just curious, were you at HAL when AQ was around?
Wait until SWA sees just how big of a cashcow interisland really is... I don't think the bean counters in Dallas realize that just yet. Once they figure it out, watch us throw -700's into the ETOPS mix and doing what Aloha did back in the day flying interisland. But unlike Aloha, which was poorly run, undercapitalized, debt-laden, flying the old clacked out -200's interisland, and having that market be literally the bulk of its existence, Southwest is a vastly different animal.
I think Hawaiian's strengths are actually in the long haul flying and I think focusing on that will keep Hawaiian going strong. If Hawaiian decided to go toe-to-toe with Southwest, that'd be a BAD, BAD, BAD move.
Wait until SWA sees just how big of a cashcow interisland really is... I don't think the bean counters in Dallas realize that just yet. Once they figure it out, watch us throw -700's into the ETOPS mix and doing what Aloha did back in the day flying interisland. But unlike Aloha, which was poorly run, undercapitalized, debt-laden, flying the old clacked out -200's interisland, and having that market be literally the bulk of its existence, Southwest is a vastly different animal.
I think Hawaiian's strengths are actually in the long haul flying and I think focusing on that will keep Hawaiian going strong. If Hawaiian decided to go toe-to-toe with Southwest, that'd be a BAD, BAD, BAD move.
No. Just missed it. This isn’t my first airline either though. I AGREE with many things that you say.
At the end of the day, we are going to be forced to modify our business plan. We will either be successful, or someone will buy us. I just drive a bus, but if we keep growing our east/South Pacific routes and add more mainland destinations, that will offset a lot (not all) of the loss from inter island capacity. Now add that if SWA wants to do what Aloha did, that means a full on base of operation. MX hangar, pilot and FA base also. That’s a lot of investment just to operate back-and-forth in one state.
At the end of the day, I hope were successful standalone. Honestly, I think the worst case scenario for us is that we Get bought by one of the big four and I can go back to having my West Coast base again. That’s not my first choice, believe me but I can live with that.
The biggest concern that’s coming to my mind right now is that our new union representatives are going to need to hold the line on scope. My biggest fear short term is that the knee-jerk reaction will be to try and grow Ohana while the 717 stagnates or shrinks. No thanks.
Not panicking. Again, everything that SWA has announced impacts Alaska off the West Coast more than it does us, and we’ve got a year or so before they fill the gap that island air left behind. Sleep with one eye open, but go ahead and sleep for now.
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