Here's what's wrong with this business
01-26-2009 | 09:35 PM
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Your post is a little hard to follow. I think what you are saying is that to be trained as SIC the trainer must be a CFI. That is incorrect. Any Type Rated PIC can train an SIC in the aircraft as the trainer per 61.55. Very basic training to be completed in the aircraft or sim (I did it in the aircraft). Once the training is complete the SIC can act as SIC even with a single pilot type rated PIC as long as they stay SIC current.
02-03-2009 | 06:04 AM
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Your post is a little hard to follow. I think what you are saying is that to be trained as SIC the trainer must be a CFI. That is incorrect. Any Type Rated PIC can train an SIC in the aircraft as the trainer per 61.55. Very basic training to be completed in the aircraft or sim (I did it in the aircraft). Once the training is complete the SIC can act as SIC even with a single pilot type rated PIC as long as they stay SIC current.
Yes, I fly right seat on the Kingair 200, and I'm full aware it's not required. The company's insurance doesn't require two pilots either. We do it so that I can build experience on the type so that when I meet the 135 IFR PIC minimums, I'll also meet the insurance minimums as far as time on type to act as PIC. The chief pilot (who is not a CFI) did my training, and the same story applies to a Citation I I also right seat on (This is a CE501SP), however the PIC did my training and he's not a CFI either.
02-03-2009 | 06:21 AM
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That is so rare that I would recommend to everybody not to even think about it. I've never even heard of that before, and would have some serious reservations about working for a company that was so clueless. Logging time as a flight instructor is some of the most valuable time in my logbook, and I'm VERY glad I had that experience. Most people with a clue understand and recognize that... Those that don't probably never instructed.
02-03-2009 | 10:55 AM
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My opinion vacillates.
Part of me says: People work in other industries as an unpaid apprentice or intern for the purpose of gaining experience in the industry the wish to work. If valid in those industries, why not ours?
The other part of me says: Just don't do it.
Part of me says: People work in other industries as an unpaid apprentice or intern for the purpose of gaining experience in the industry the wish to work. If valid in those industries, why not ours?
The other part of me says: Just don't do it.
02-04-2009 | 04:42 PM
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Yes, I agree with this point, its really a tough call these days. Its very easy to say" NO Way" if your flying, but not as black/white when your one of the thousands of pilots (myself included) sitting on our rears looking skyward wondering, when the heck is this going to end....sigh, I hate driving a truck....lol..but I thank God every day that my wife still has a job, and I have a CDL to tide me through to my callback, but 2009 will be a very long year indeed.
02-04-2009 | 04:50 PM
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That is so rare that I would recommend to everybody not to even think about it. I've never even heard of that before, and would have some serious reservations about working for a company that was so clueless. Logging time as a flight instructor is some of the most valuable time in my logbook, and I'm VERY glad I had that experience. Most people with a clue understand and recognize that... Those that don't probably never instructed.
02-07-2009 | 10:16 AM
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02-21-2009 | 10:00 AM
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Flying for free is not about experience, it is about lowering the bar for everybody else. Why do you think there are pilots making less then 25K? Why do you think truck drivers make more then pilots? Because there are so many willing to do it. Flying for free cheapens the entire industry. Earning a pilot certificate is not an easy feat.
If you're working for nothing, you're worth nothing.
If you're working for nothing, you're worth nothing.
02-21-2009 | 06:33 PM
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Flying for free is not about experience, it is about lowering the bar for everybody else. Why do you think there are pilots making less then 25K? Why do you think truck drivers make more then pilots? Because there are so many willing to do it. Flying for free cheapens the entire industry. Earning a pilot certificate is not an easy feat.
If you're working for nothing, you're worth nothing.
If you're working for nothing, you're worth nothing.
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