Here's what's wrong with this business
01-09-2009 | 06:56 AM
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CAP is a volunteer service, so we're not talking about that. However, logging your 135 freight flights as "flight time" may get you into some hot water with future employers. You had no official training or type rating and were not a required crew member. In my book, I wouldn't look at that time as being the "experience" you claim it to be. Like you said, you were just riding along...... Make sure to get a real job with real responsibilities before you claim that you have all the necessary CRM and IFR skills you are so desperate to obtain.
In this business, you either stand for your principles, or you get walked all over.
01-09-2009 | 01:47 PM
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That is correct, I was not a required flight crew member and the company did not have to have a second person in the plane, nor did they the other 4 out of 6 night they flew. I to do not want to see anyone be forced out of a paying position by a volunteer pilot, but if they are not going to have someone sitting in the right seat anyway, let someone atleast have the opportunity to gain some experience from a more seasoned pilot, if they don't mind.
01-09-2009 | 08:35 PM
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well, you could log time under part 91 though if you were the pilot flying couldn't you, if the PIC is also a MEI, or an ATP? I'm not too sure how this op would be run but I agree with E ThePilot though in the fact that this position didn't even have to make it onto a job board since they could have found somebody to sit in that seat after walking into the first flight school they tried.
On another note, anyone need a CFI or a seasoned jump pilot?
Last edited by TheSultanofScud; 01-09-2009 at 08:48 PM. Reason: inserted insurance company comment
01-10-2009 | 07:28 AM
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The company I flew with had to put me on the books as a volunteer employee in able to fly in the aircraft by their manual. I also had to sign a contract saying that I would not hold them or the insurance company liable in case of an accident. The captains were both ATPs and the flights were logged as training, dual received, since there was the possibility of a position coming available for a single pilot VFR 135 in the future. Unfortunately the SEL pilot position never came up because of the economy right now.
01-10-2009 | 10:24 AM
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"The man who flies for free knows his worth."
I have stood firmly by my principles and haven't flown professionally in years as a result. The truth is that everyone in this world is negotiating for themselves. It is easy for those who are gainfully employed to make such statements however pilots have always either sold themselves cheaply or paid handsomely in order to get their careers off the ground and to keep them going.
We all pay, some with years of our lives some sell their integrity others pay up front and in cash.
Skyhigh
I have stood firmly by my principles and haven't flown professionally in years as a result. The truth is that everyone in this world is negotiating for themselves. It is easy for those who are gainfully employed to make such statements however pilots have always either sold themselves cheaply or paid handsomely in order to get their careers off the ground and to keep them going.
We all pay, some with years of our lives some sell their integrity others pay up front and in cash.
Skyhigh
01-10-2009 | 12:01 PM
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01-10-2009 | 12:07 PM
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I have never logged time that did not fit with what most consider as traditional experience building, however there seems to be nothing wrong with it from a legal standpoint. Employers are always deciding what they will accept as qualifying experience or not. I remember being asked on applications to leave off any time as a flight instructor.
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01-10-2009 | 01:48 PM
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FWIW: The Citation Bravo is certified for two crewmembers. The PIC can received a single pilot type. Even if the PIC has the single pilot type you can log SIC in the right seat if you complete the SIC training required in part 61.
01-22-2009 | 03:16 AM
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I have never logged time that did not fit with what most consider as traditional experience building, however there seems to be nothing wrong with it from a legal standpoint. Employers are always deciding what they will accept as qualifying experience or not. I remember being asked on applications to leave off any time as a flight instructor.
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01-26-2009 | 04:27 PM
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You would have to be type rated and have a high altitude endorsement to log the PIC in the case of a Citation or other high altitude turbojet. See FAR 61.51(E). This assumes the captain isn't certificated and rated to give the guy dual instruction and the insurance company would be ticked that dual is being given in the airplane.
On another note, anyone need a CFI or a seasoned jump pilot?
On another note, anyone need a CFI or a seasoned jump pilot?
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