Atlas Air Hiring
03-28-2017, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER
.....I'll bet that Bill Flynn wouldn't consider anything about our jobs as being cheap or petty. Does that not make your post wrong and full of hyperbole?......
How can you call Tahoes' statement "wrong"? It is his opinion.
Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER
......I'll bet that prospective applicants that are qualified to be hired at Atlas are also qualified to be hired at Allegiant or Kalitta where the management of those companies is NOT suing the pilots
Our reason for posting on this thread is to inform prospective candidates about the perils of going to an airline under siege by management. We have done so....without hyperbole. They get it. They will apply regardless.
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03-28-2017, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER
So what, exactly, do you consider to be "our cause"? Turning people ON to Atlas??
Here's the deal, my opinion is just that. Mine.
I realize it's hard for you to grasp that anyone who doesn't agree with every word you say isn't somehow the enemy. But the fact is, I'm all in. I dutifully follow our Union's guidance, and ultimately I want the same end result as you, we just have different opinions about how to get there.
I'll just leave it at that.
03-28-2017, 01:25 PM
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Any update with the lawsuit and how that might effect pilots that are within their probation period. I've read that there's been rumors but anything more solid and as of late. Also are they hiring with their hour minimums now because of this whole fiasco
03-28-2017, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Cylinderpop
Any update with the lawsuit and how that might effect pilots that are within their probation period. I've read that there's been rumors but anything more solid and as of late. Also are they hiring with their hour minimums now because of this whole fiasco
There's a meeting with an Arbitrator on 13 April to determine if Atlas pilots have the right to refuse to cross picket lines under the current CBA. Expect someone under Teamsters to Status Quo strike this fall and any new hire who doesn't cross a picket line will be fired by Atlas.
03-28-2017, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Globemaster2827
..........Expect to be on the current contract a minimum of two more years.
......Expect someone under Teamsters to Status Quo strike this fall and any new hire who doesn't cross a picket line will be fired by Atlas.
......Expect someone under Teamsters to Status Quo strike this fall and any new hire who doesn't cross a picket line will be fired by Atlas.
Speculative of course but a good possibility.
03-28-2017, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Globemaster2827
The lawsuit over forcing us to merge won't affect new hires other than they'll be showing up in a labor dispute. Expect to be on the current contract a minimum of two more years.
There's a meeting with an Arbitrator on 13 April to determine if Atlas pilots have the right to refuse to cross picket lines under the current CBA. Expect someone under Teamsters to Status Quo strike this fall and any new hire who doesn't cross a picket line will be fired by Atlas.
There's a meeting with an Arbitrator on 13 April to determine if Atlas pilots have the right to refuse to cross picket lines under the current CBA. Expect someone under Teamsters to Status Quo strike this fall and any new hire who doesn't cross a picket line will be fired by Atlas.
That in itself is a lot to consider when thinking about going to work there, especially if you don't have many other options if you quit your current job.
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03-28-2017, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by badtransam97
Are new hires under no protection from the union? I've never worked under a union so unfamiliar with how that part would work. I guess the second year + people are job protected if they stand together and don't cross?
That in itself is a lot to consider when thinking about going to work there, especially if you don't have many other options if you quit your current job.
That in itself is a lot to consider when thinking about going to work there, especially if you don't have many other options if you quit your current job.
After probation the termination process involves a formal hearing that includes the company and union, much like a trial.
03-28-2017, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by tahoejace
... ultimately I want the same end result as you, we just have different opinions about how to get there.
Those of us who have been burned by previous airlines and have few options for exiting this job tend to be more adamant about the situation at Atlas and want to see the change happen as soon as possible. IMHO, the best way to do this is to be adamant and blatant about the negatives here in order to apply pressure on the company. It may not seem like much of a strategy but it is what we have to fight this war with.
OTOH, pilots who are leaving Atlas seem to be less energized about the troubles here. Hopefully sooner or later we'll all end up in a better place than where we are now.
It's just that for some of us, it'll be much, much later.
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03-28-2017, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER
OK. You're right that we have different opinions about how to get there.
Those of us who have been burned by previous airlines and have few options for exiting this job tend to be more adamant about the situation at Atlas and want to see the change happen as soon as possible. IMHO, the best way to do this is to be adamant and blatant about the negatives here in order to apply pressure on the company. It may not seem like much of a strategy but it is what we have to fight this war with.
OTOH, pilots who are leaving Atlas seem to be less energized about the troubles here. Hopefully sooner or later we'll all end up in a better place than where we are now.
It's just that for some of us, it'll be much, much later.
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Those of us who have been burned by previous airlines and have few options for exiting this job tend to be more adamant about the situation at Atlas and want to see the change happen as soon as possible. IMHO, the best way to do this is to be adamant and blatant about the negatives here in order to apply pressure on the company. It may not seem like much of a strategy but it is what we have to fight this war with.
OTOH, pilots who are leaving Atlas seem to be less energized about the troubles here. Hopefully sooner or later we'll all end up in a better place than where we are now.
It's just that for some of us, it'll be much, much later.
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