Hawaiian Airlines Hiring
03-06-2014 | 05:23 AM
#961
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From: Cruise Captain
Hope we can reverse this before Alaska is entrenched.
03-06-2014 | 10:00 AM
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I agree, I think we need some kind of west coast base, mostly for reserve coverage and to keep the operation running smoothly. This is after all, Hawaiian Airlines. It only makes sense to have its principle base of operation in Hawaii, since that's where all our flights are concentrated.
There's a difference between giving up on something and not pursuing it because it doesn't make financial sense. Our planes are simply too big to do what AS is doing. When our NEOs arrive, we can properly join the party. Until then, we build the trans-pac wide body network, lower unit costs and get into the financial position to operate the neighbor island flights at a profit, not a loss. We can't shoulda coulda woulda and must compare apples to apples.
AS is a 5B company because they're a well run company have loyal customer base, low unit costs and are more than twice our size. We have all those things, but are on a much smaller scale. This is the healthiest HAL is been in its existence and as our first phase of HALs transformation comes to an end, our financials will only improve, in preparation for the next phase.
There's a difference between giving up on something and not pursuing it because it doesn't make financial sense. Our planes are simply too big to do what AS is doing. When our NEOs arrive, we can properly join the party. Until then, we build the trans-pac wide body network, lower unit costs and get into the financial position to operate the neighbor island flights at a profit, not a loss. We can't shoulda coulda woulda and must compare apples to apples.
AS is a 5B company because they're a well run company have loyal customer base, low unit costs and are more than twice our size. We have all those things, but are on a much smaller scale. This is the healthiest HAL is been in its existence and as our first phase of HALs transformation comes to an end, our financials will only improve, in preparation for the next phase.
We could have had A330 or 767 service from LA to Big Island, Maui or Kauai long ago... United even covers a lot of routs from SF/LA to neighbor islands now..
Bases on the west coast would make those efficient turns unless we want to open bases on the neighbor islands.. Alaska after all is called Alaska but has it's principal base of ops in Seattle.
03-06-2014 | 11:14 AM
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Making money is good for obvious reasons.... What worries me, and others junior like me, is shareholders make money whether there are 617 pilots or 500 pilots.....
I want the company to be profitable. That is given... What I don't want is HA to figure that it is more profitable doing X amount of routes with X amount of airplanes.. X being something less than it is today...
Don't get me wrong, still happy as poop working here. Love my job, but been through several companies (6) over the last 13 years. It always seems to start the same.. "Nobody worry, just an adjustment...." Next thing ya know, all hell breaks loose. At any other airline losing 2 routes is hardly noticed.. Here it's a good chunk of our wide body route system.
No sky falling, but still keeping a keen eye on it.. I guess it is good HA stock still jumped 7% last I checked this morning. Big firm upgraded their rating from hold to buy... So someone still is seeing good things even though it has been a crappy week of memo's (vacancy bid, FUK, TPE, KOA-HND loss)
I want the company to be profitable. That is given... What I don't want is HA to figure that it is more profitable doing X amount of routes with X amount of airplanes.. X being something less than it is today...
Don't get me wrong, still happy as poop working here. Love my job, but been through several companies (6) over the last 13 years. It always seems to start the same.. "Nobody worry, just an adjustment...." Next thing ya know, all hell breaks loose. At any other airline losing 2 routes is hardly noticed.. Here it's a good chunk of our wide body route system.
No sky falling, but still keeping a keen eye on it.. I guess it is good HA stock still jumped 7% last I checked this morning. Big firm upgraded their rating from hold to buy... So someone still is seeing good things even though it has been a crappy week of memo's (vacancy bid, FUK, TPE, KOA-HND loss)
03-06-2014 | 03:35 PM
#964
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CATIII, Bored, KAF, great posts, great debate and opinion. I enjoyed reading it and it keeps me abreast along of what Im reading in financials of HAL. As an outsider looking in since 2008, I welcome all of your posts in regards to the "shuffling of the deck chairs". I only hope that I can get my rear on the bottom of that list next requisition. Keep the info rolling, I love to follow the Pualani and all of the developments. Cheers
03-06-2014 | 05:52 PM
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The shareholders should be happy with the stock price right now. It has climbed substantially in the last few months.
They might not care about the number of pilots, but future growth, earnings, and profitability have a substantial impact on how the stock is viewed.
They might not care about the number of pilots, but future growth, earnings, and profitability have a substantial impact on how the stock is viewed.
03-06-2014 | 06:51 PM
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Exactly and if we're successful, we're moving down the right path, making money and likely growing. If we're growing and evolving, we're hiring pilots and get to continue to ride this wave. If Wall Street and the investors are happy with the trajectory, our mgmt is executing the plan as advertised. As employees we have to have a little bit of trust in our leadership and how the investors perceive the business.
I interviewed in mid 2012 and was told they were hiring 100 a year for the foreseeable future.. inside of one year that story change to "more hiring in 2017" ... In the end, the orders mean nothing until they're sitting on the ramp with Pualani on the tail.... as it stands, we're giving back in 767's what we are getting in A330s.. for a net growth of 0... that's where we stand NOW.
While I want HAL to make money and grow, profit and survive into the 22nd century.. I also need my career to fare well in the exchange.
03-06-2014 | 11:07 PM
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Glad you brought up negotiations..... Even with a wave of negative news stories, the one thing that is difficult to hide ( unfortunately not impossible) is profitability.... Some of us can be skeptical at the moment, due mostly to past experience. However, as long as the company remains profitable and Wall Street likes us, it'll be hard for anyone to keep us down in negotiations.
Little bit worried but definitely unified
Little bit worried but definitely unified
03-07-2014 | 11:25 PM
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Hopefully my 2,000hrs+ of heavy jet PIC would provide some competitive edge if and when HAL ever opens up their application window (USAF time) but I won't hold my breath. But, I continue the dream.
Thanks to those that have provided some real company hiring i sight.
03-08-2014 | 05:17 AM
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But I do sincerely wish you well when you apply because I for one think Hawaiian needs your kind of experience more than most airlines, as we hire straight into a 330 that crosses the biggest ocean in the world as an IRO.
03-09-2014 | 11:54 AM
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Sadly at Hawaiian I have observed experience means very little and who you know is 95% of what gets you interviewed and in most cases hired save the occasional logical moments.. And military pilots are grossly under represented in the recently classes.
But I do sincerely wish you well when you apply because I for one think Hawaiian needs your kind of experience more than most airlines, as we hire straight into a 330 that crosses the biggest ocean in the world as an IRO.
But I do sincerely wish you well when you apply because I for one think Hawaiian needs your kind of experience more than most airlines, as we hire straight into a 330 that crosses the biggest ocean in the world as an IRO.
If you are at HAL I would love to be able to send you my resume for consideration and push if you are willing to take a look at it.
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