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Horizon's had 74 when I started there...and then we went to 76 shortly after. I'm sure that your's do have alittle more legroom if they only have 74.

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Originally Posted by SurferLucas (Post 667296)

From what I know...

Aircraft N417QX had no problems identified and all systems operating normally.

Landed Runway 34 at BLI, Visual Approach backed up with RNAV 34 and calm winds/good visibiltiy.

Pilot Flying had bugs still set for the takeoff out of Seattle. Pilot Monitoring had bugs set for the correct landing weight.

Aircraft was flown roughly 25 kts over Vref on approach, as a result of not being reset from the take off previous.

Touched down significantly past the touchdown zone.

Aircraft could not be stopped with emergency breaking and full reverse.

I do not know anything further at this time...that includes what the crew's trip was like.

2 things here. One, fatigue can easily lead to one forgetting landing bugs. Two, I go against procedure and set my landing bugs early so as not to forget....things get busy during descent and approach. If I get called out for setting my bugs early I'll let it roll of my back from now on.

I agree about the fatigue thing. I typcially would set my bugs during the climb, somewhere close to level-off. During IOE, I got threatened with a point deduction from a check airman because I was going to reset my bugs in the climb...this guy was a hardass, and I just "ok" and went with it.

Seattle to Bellingham is a quick flight...typically 15/20 mins in the air. So not much time to screw around.

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Originally Posted by SurferLucas (Post 667471)

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'm talking about. This is the exact culture that's breed at Horizon which has directly contributed to the BLI incident.

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Originally Posted by 152SIC (Post 666005)

I agree they were fast. I was referring to the "only 6700' long" remark.

Apparently 6700' is a really short runway for some pilots!!!

I honestly don't know where/why the whole 6700' stuff started...6700' is a good size runway, but if you're not careful, you can run off the end. You can runoff a 9,000 ft runway if you screw around and land outside the touchdown zone. Point is, reguardless of runway length...if you're unstable on the approach or are going outside the touchdown zone during landing, you should go around and no push it.

The Q4 is a good size airplane with some mass behind it...it doesn't fly like the Q2's that Horizon had.

LavChange: I agree that Horizon's scheduling probably has alot to do with it. I think that BLI flight leaves at 11pm...if the crew had started at 12/1pm and had a nice "productivity" break in Seattle for a few hours, and it was back to back with previous day like that...yea, I can see how fatigue would be an issue.

Kinda like how I got a point taken off on a line check, when I said: "Flight Attendants John and Jane please prepare for takeoff."

After 10,000' He said I must say: "Flight attendants please prepare for takeoff." Nomore or no less. Just like the FSM in the CRJ. I looked it up and it did say that. But in the FSM for the Q400 and 200 it does say that names may be inserted. Talk about nit picky and standardisation BS.

Sounds like a CRJ Check Airman, those guys have a serious stick up their backsides. Atleast in the Q4/Q2 we had alot of great check airman, save for one or two...if you've flown with check airman that I talked about earlier, you know who I'm talking about!

Carlsbad, CA. Jumpseated on SkyWest once into there, WOW!

Sometimes you can't do anything right