Actually 5th and 6th.

 

Tell me the email didn't say exactly what I said it did?

 

Ha, silence as blueberry bubbles burst all over the country.

You hope salesman are gonna have to try a lot harder, I wonder what your NEW hope-deadline is gonna be? Summer 2017, nope. Full year 2017, nope. Can't wait to hear the new almost done hope-deadline!

Crass, yep. I'd rather hear the crass truth than false hope.

 

I agree completely. I won’t argue a timeline. Could be years. I was just hoping to not have another thread of Bluedriver telling us all how smart he is. Too late.

 

It just confirms what you guys already knew. JB will not compensate without a fight. That's just how the game is played. Kind of like the core values: that's for the little people to believe in because they certainly don't equate "doing the right thing" to paying market rate for pilot professional skills. Use their own core values against them...

I really don't think JB or any airline will ever have problems getting pilots. There are far too many people out there willing to work for peanuts. Write your servant politicians and tell them not to lower the 1500 hr rule.

Keep up the fight. Remember everything they say is meant to keep you from achieving your goal. Think of JB emails as the modern day Tokyo Rose. The more they make you feel hopeless, the more they've won without firing a shot. You need to get to either a strike or arbitration as soon as possible, without compromising (compromise already occured from lack of pay/work rules since the beginning of the airline). Remember that even if you lose at arbitration like Alaska sort-of did, you (and they) can still do informational picketing or taking out ads in papers to continually attack them. Don't let yourself be on the defensive, ever. Be on the offensive. Your goal as a POW is to be a persistent thorn in their side. This industry is already full of defeatists and apologists (98% of all pilots).

I heard someone say it best: "These people understand only two things: (1) legal judgments, (2) impacts on their bottom line."

Use the legal system against them. Up till now they are maximizing their use of the legal system (stalling) until a mediator stepped in. Continue to attack them on not meeting negotiation timelines. Never let them get more time. Don't give them an inch! Bury them in grievances and lawsuits as appropriate. All those pay "discrepancies" are legal matters first and foremost. Don't do their work for them by helping to fix issues. JB will allow them to keep occurring unless there's a legal mandate of some kind to stop them. Believe me, they will not do anything that benefits you unless you fight for it. At my airline it was always a legal/financial battle at the end.

 

I hear ya man... I hear ya.

 

Right on. What's not too late is lighting up the grill and getting the last few uses out of it up here in the northeast.

 

It's been years. The reason it doesn't take a month is because 98% of all pilots are defeatists and apologists. They are also naiive and ignorant of business standards for professionals.

Remember that anything is possible up to the laws of physics. JB could be made to decide to give you what you want overnight if they had enough reason to. Don't settle for the mediocre timelines of history. Believe me, if investors raked JB and the CEO over the coals for not paying pilots industry rate, it would happen overnight. Think about that before you defeat yourselves. Think with a warrior mindset.

 

I know he just went from ego to super ego

 

Are we saying FUPM yet? Or is that just from the “other site.”

+1 vote for FUPM, especially after the last email.