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Old 12-28-2017 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
Only because you asked.
I am surprised that the pay is so different as every rumor out there and even the email from management indicated differently.(talking about ALK pay)
Problem is you and I are not in the room so it’s hard to know. It’s interesting that the tone of that email was mostly negative where I would say other emails were more optimistic but as you have said we were not making the progress we should be hence the info war.
With that said yeah I figured many of the sections that could been done would be done with the money ones coming at the end at the very last second. I doubt we TA healthcare without pay rates or pto or any others. They all are intertwined.

But honestly bluedriver I just don’t see the point engaging with you. I don’t like that you call some of our pilots rats or whatever names you come up with. So I have dialed it back because honestly in the end my opinion does not matter
and internet arguments solve very little.

But if you would like, since we have started our “debates” I would say you have been more correct about these things than I have been.
Your ideas about how this should and could be coming together here at the end have been sound. The point of disagreement between us is I do not think management has any intention of closing these final expensive items anytime soon. Not until they have a compelling reason. Right now they have no compelling reason in my opinion. They can argue over spreadsheet numbers and pass insufficient proposals across the table until Trump's third term if they want. This is most likely not getting done anytime soon.

You may not like me calling people Juiceboxes, I don't like being told I'm just being negative and not staying informed. I wouldn't have had to go nuclear if so many of you would have just accepted reality and not put your blind faith in Blue.
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Old 12-28-2017 | 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Your ideas about how this should and could be coming together here at the end have been sound. The point of disagreement between us is I do not think management has any intention of closing these final expensive items anytime soon. Not until they have a compelling reason. Right now they have no compelling reason in my opinion. They can argue over spreadsheet numbers and pass insufficient proposals across the table until Trump's third term if they want. This is most likely not getting done anytime soon.

You may not like me calling people Juiceboxes, I don't like being told I'm just being negative and not staying informed. I wouldn't have had to go nuclear if so many of you would have just accepted reality and not put your blind faith in Blue.

I think I would argue with the term blindfaith.

So how about you tell me when you think it will be done. 2018 2019 2020 2021?

You have an easy position not anytime soon.

As for the rest, call people what you want I don’t see it as going nuclear I see it as acting like my 2 year old, but to be fair she sure can go nuclear lol
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Old 12-28-2017 | 12:32 PM
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This whole corporate tax cut will prove how greed is destroying this country. We won’t see a penny more as a result of the tax cut. The greedy pricks are just going to cut themselves bigger bonuses and run to the bank. Trickle down has never worked. The last 30 years of wage stagnation are a great example.
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Old 12-28-2017 | 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Xtreme87
This whole corporate tax cut will prove how greed is destroying this country. We won’t see a penny more as a result of the tax cut. The greedy pricks are just going to cut themselves bigger bonuses and run to the bank. Trickle down has never worked. The last 30 years of wage stagnation are a great example.
All things being equal I think a corporate tax cut IMPROVES our chances at getting a contract.

You think the company sitting at the table with lowered earnings would help our position? How so?
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Old 12-28-2017 | 01:38 PM
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after tax earnings go to the shareholders. JetBlue shareholders do not want the "bonus" from this pathetic tax cut bill to go anywhere but in their pockets, just like every other big corporation's shareholders.
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Old 12-28-2017 | 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Softpayman
All things being equal I think a corporate tax cut IMPROVES our chances at getting a contract.

You think the company sitting at the table with lowered earnings would help our position? How so?
Wanna bet? This tax cut won’t get us a contract sooner, nor a better one.
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Old 12-28-2017 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by dontsurf
after tax earnings go to the shareholders. JetBlue shareholders do not want the "bonus" from this pathetic tax cut bill to go anywhere but in their pockets, just like every other big corporation's shareholders.
Like school teachers?
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Old 12-28-2017 | 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueJetDork
Like school teachers?
Yeah those evil school teachers.
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Old 12-29-2017 | 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Yeah those evil school teachers.
When you consider the quality of education for what is spent per pupil in public schools; yes, they are evil.
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Old 12-29-2017 | 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by aldonite7667
When you consider the quality of education for what is spent per pupil in public schools; yes, they are evil.
I have several teachers in the family, every one of them fantastic, really cares about their students and does the best they are able to do. Spending less certainly won't help.

The real problem is that you are giving them moldy tattered cloth and expecting them to paint you the Mona Lisa. The general exception is affluent suburbs with professional parents who value education and can support their kids appropriately.

Outside of the affluent suburbs you have too high a proportion of kids without good nutrition, without good role models and good support from a stable home life and parents who value education.

I've seen it up close and personal as my family works in a mixed district. The kids with good parents and good support reliably do much better than the rest. The opposite is also almost always true. It's a failure of a large segment of our society. It's much harder to make a masterpiece out of moldy torn cloth, times millions of students.

Private school is populated primarily by students with parents that by their basic foundational nature value education and are far more likely to provide a stable home and sufficient support.
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