The fact that management won’t even offer Alaska rates is such a spit in the face. Basically the same airline. What a joke. I just hope they don’t go and outsource our flying before we get a contract. Drop all the 190’s to Skywest and call it a day.

 

They can't give the 190 to skywest... It would violate all their feeders scope.

 

Scope seemed to be the one area we almost have done.

 

Hope it’s 100% in house or it’s a no vote from me.

 

You haven't said much about the email. Things look how you thought they would right now?

 

Surprised by this. JetBlue is way off base if they are coming in below Alaska rates and similar rules. If you have not read the arbitration results form Alaska it would be worth the read. I understand we are shooting for more but the arbitration itself made a strong case for why we should expect Alaska type similarities or better.

I also thought the email put out by JetBlue citing the arbitration results was somewhat of a de facto acknowledgement that their contract should serve as a minimum at the very least.

Don't get me wrong, we should be looking at better than Alaska and pushing for market rate all day long, but this really highlights the gulf between where we think we should be and what management thinks we are worth. Very disappointing.

 

All true.....

 

Very disappointing indeed. Really curious if we've received a new pay proposal from the company since the Alaska arbitration ruling came out. If they have, and still came under, screw them.

 

Only because you asked.
I am surprised that the pay is so different as every rumor out there and even the email from management indicated differently.(talking about ALK pay)
Problem is you and I are not in the room so it’s hard to know. It’s interesting that the tone of that email was mostly negative where I would say other emails were more optimistic but as you have said we were not making the progress we should be hence the info war.
With that said yeah I figured many of the sections that could been done would be done with the money ones coming at the end at the very last second. I doubt we TA healthcare without pay rates or pto or any others. They all are intertwined.

But honestly bluedriver I just don’t see the point engaging with you. I don’t like that you call some of our pilots rats or whatever names you come up with. So I have dialed it back because honestly in the end my opinion does not matter
and internet arguments solve very little.

But if you would like, since we have started our “debates” I would say you have been more correct about these things than I have been.

 

Alaska’s arbitration result was released on October 31st and Jetblue management put another pay proposal on the table during the 10/31-11/2 mediated session...our last mediated session to date. If I had to guess, their proposal was probably somewhere between Hawaiian and Allegiant. The next couple months will be telling I think.