At least a strike vote- once they lost the JD power thing, they could care less about billboards. CBA 2019-yay.

 

No-no. It's end of summer 2017. If not end of summer, surely it's by the end of year 2017.




2019 might be optimistic!

 

I live in DFW. Spirit pilots have one on the freeway just past the airport. It was there yesterday.

 

Go take a look at other airline contract negotiation timelines for companies with hostile management and look at the steps they had take to get it.

Kalitta took 6.

SWA took 4 and management agreed to a CBA days after an engine exploded and the crew landed the plane safely. The timing of the agreement allowed them to avoid the negative safety news articles that dogged Allegiant during their negotiations. Those types of articles would have brought attention that SWA is now the old Valujet and outlined a history of incidents, regardless of how minor.

As long as the brand isn’t negatively affected by image issues JetBlue management isn’t in a rush to get a CBA that will cost them more money. So far the JetBlue pilot group seems to be fairly docile. Koolaid filled rumors of a contract being just around the corner has kept retention high amongst the pilot group, they’ve targeting recruitment for new hires who aren’t likely to leave based on background and they aren’t suffering from negative press. They can keep the CBA ball rolling slowly.

 

I'd say SWA's had more to do with Delta. Delta was about to up their rates, I think they did the following month. Had SWA management waited, they were looking at an even higher ask by SWAPA.

 

It all helps and contributes towards your goal. Right now I'd assume that goal is a timely completion to years of stalled negotiations. At Delta we put up billboards, info picketed and the biggie... voted down a bad... really bad contract offer.

That can go on for years and the company can outlast the pilots... until they feel their bottom line is suffering from a lack of contract.

It all helps. But until there is unity in the group there will be no contract offer. Delta Pilots had never voted NO to any contract in the history of the company. That motivated the company to work towards a quick timeline for the contract we now work under... after voting NO, we were told we'd not see a dime of retro pay. In the end we got full retro.

Good luck Blue Dudes.

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Thanks Hookah, the "contracts almost done" koolaid is VERY strong around here. It's allowed the sheep to be put out to pasture quite easily and consequently I think we will be lucky to have something by 2019.

 

So, that’s a no, you haven’t spoken with the MEC or negotiating team. Got it.

When they feel like things are stalled, I will feel like things are stalled. The opinion of people who aren’t connected to the process, and who are making stuff up mean absolutely nothing.

 

I feel that way because of our ALPA leadership, not because of anything the company has said. I trust them more than I trust made up opinions from miserable people on the interwebz.

 

Sorry Southerner, wrong again. I spoke with the MEC chair recently and he was NOT encouraged by recent progress. Have you noticed the new billboards???????

I know you hope salesman can't help yourselves but W O W.