10 bucks says you get no real answer. He'll talk about general happiness and culture instead of Health care and retirement.
Typical apologist

 

Ha! Guarantee you are right.

 

Hey listen, I understand your perspective. Our health insurance is so bad that we use my wife's, because we couldn't afford to use ours. That's unacceptable. Our 401k match is unacceptable. We don't have a scope clause. Our pay is below our peers.

I understand that, and I agree with you.

Maybe you think this is sport, and that's fine. Me? I like working to improve conditions for my colleagues. That's why I've sacked up and done the ALPA work time and time again.

You keep *****ing, and the rest of us will sack up and do something about it.

 

Have you been o remote from the pilot market that you think it is that easy to go to UPS/Fedex/UA/DAL/AA or SWA instead of going to B6??

Of course people (military or captains with 10-15 years at regionals) go to the Legacy or Fedex/UPS when they can, but do you understand that AA/UA/DAL only hire an average of 10% non-military off the street?

B6 might be a "bottom tear major" like you say, it's still more attractive than Spirit and F9. And it is a step up from the regionals.

As far as hiring, you are not an easy airline to go to. Selection is actually tough and being hired at JetBlue is not easy. Thats why Spirit went into a hiring frenzy, taking 100s of young FOs out of the regionals, with less than 2,500 TT, some even at 2100 TT. These guys/girls dove head first to Spirit because, even if an FO can dream of making $38K flying a Bus, it's still "better than at the regional" and because it was easier than getting hired at jetblue. One of my friend's comment was "at least I'll be out of a regional, I'll live on credit cards the first year, but at least I'll be on an Airbus flying for a stable airline with hopes of a much better pay when they pass a TA"

 

Yea- threats aside, I figured you could handle the sarcasm in my tone.
No one seriously thinks a regional is preferable to B6, however, when a guy asks about this airline, compared to a regional, its sad. It shouldnt even be a question.

 

Threat?

You're out of your God damned mind. I haven't threatened anything. I've said that there are those of us who work for the greater good, and those of us who don't. You have the right to sit back and *****, but don't complain to me about how terrible everything is if you're not on a committee trying to make things better.

Because the company isn't going to do that for you, WE will do it together through the union.

If you're not out of your mind, you're trying to be cute. So cute that I'll buy the first round after the picket.

See you there, sweetie.

 

The last sentence sounds like a threat does it not?

 

No, not even kind of.

Here, let me help you out: Threat, noun, a statement of an intention to inflict pain, injury, damage, or other hostile action on someone in retribution for something done or not done.

I'm inviting you to continue to complain, while the rest of us step up and work.

There's no threat of retribution in that. You have the right to sit back and not help advance the cause of a pilot group, there is no retribution for doing so.

You're just not helping.

EDIT: By "do something about it," I mean further the cause of our pilot group, not throw you a blanket party, if that's what you're getting at. That would be unlawful.

 

What is wrong with you? You are nuts, I came from a regional and there's no doubt in my mind that JB is inferior in ALMOST ALL quality of life areas. Plus it takes three to four years to make back lost pay when you come here.

The OP asked about this and I would say that if he has a flow in less than five years then there is NO WAY he/she should leave a quality regional to make the step to JB. 8 years is a tossup.

Things "might" get better with a CBA but it's been 1000 days and nothing. The Union says we aren't even close to Alaska rates so I, for one, am going to start heading to Pilot Job fairs this spring unless there's a TA (after almost 3 years here)

As things stand, he will lose control over his schedule, lose vacations, have terrible health care, stay in horrible hotels, work three days and get paid for two, get assigned 16 hours days on reserve and on and on.

Plus he'll work for a company that has ZERO respect for pilots as professionals. We are treated as just another hourly worker like baggage handlers or gate agents.

 

Question, if you KNOW just how far behind we are in every way, and are working to help change it, why won't you allow us to tell others how far behind we are?

Seems strange that you KNOW it's bad but don't want us to say it out loud.