Extra seats, same discount salary. Why not?

 

What about it?

Mco expansion in 2years ish.

Fleet review will be done fall 2016.

That’s what we’re told

 

Same with LGB. 2 yrs. it’s going to be huge

 

And Transatlantic flight on the 321LR at exclusive AIP discount/budget pilot rates!


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First, chill out dude. Last time I checked this was a pilot forum - hence the question to us pilots. I was just suggesting that maybe JB was not “entirely stagnant” given some big initiatives and, right or wrong, some contract movement. Stagnant implies zero change. I hope we see big changes including hub expansion and a new fleet.

IMO, the CSeries is a much better and more versatile option for achieving profitable growth in a highly competitive industry than the revamped and re-winged E190 but I have zero say in the matter...... Everyone has an opinion and can speculate about what might happen and I was merely asking for an update and suggesting that we are seeing some change (not stagnant) - hopefully for the better.

 

I am 50/50 on whether we will go E2 vs C Series. I can make compelling arguments for both, based on stuff I've heard from all these jetblue pilot CEOs who claim to know "it's a done deal" both ways. The C Series would give us a lot more route versatility and longer term benefit IMO, as well as covering a lot of our old 320s that will need to get turned back in the next 5-10 years. But the cost of admission is higher based on the two companies' order books with BBD having a lot more other orders to work on. I think they has enough orders to keep the production line busy for awhile, and rising oil prices will keep helping these super casm efficient aircraft make sales. EMB needs some sales BADLY. And they can't afford to lose us as customers.

I am also 50/50 on whether we will replace our 60 E190s 1 for 1. I think if they go C series, they need to make a big order for lower pricing and longer term fleet planning. Also if they go CS, I think it will be during voting as a carrot. Those c series rates are sub-delta, and too low, but they are much better than the E190/195 rates. I think that was a strategic move to attract votes during crunch time. Or, if I'm wrong on that prediction, it could be played as a carrot to vote even without an order (playing off hope), and then after the vote closes, depending on if it's ratified, the E195-E2 order comes out and we are stuck flying a 126 seat plane at $207 an hour like a bunch of chumps.

With Air Baltic's order the other day of 60 more C series, and with all of Delta's orders, the delivery slots will likely be fairly sparse. The E195-E2 has relatively fewer orders, we have 24 orders on the books for more E190s in the next few years that we won't take, and so I imagine we could take delivery of more E195-E2s faster.

But, who cares, I don't buy planes, I fly them, and collect a pay check. So FUPM, more than $207 an hour!

 

I think the definition of “stagnate” was changed some time ago in the JB forums to encompass rates of growth that are slower than expected or fail to meet a poster’s personal expectations

 

Yeah, because to some people 1%/yr seniority growth is still growth, while to others it is near zero.

It usually correlates to whether you think getting a raise while still making less than your peers warrants a yes or no vote.

 

Yes we love changing definations to fit our arguments.

It was a spy no it was an informant.

It’s actually a very good tactic and if you shout down the people that don’t agree your definition wins. Not picking on anyone just an observation of conversations in today’s world

 

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