Originally Posted by BeatNavy

I am 50/50 on whether we will go E2 vs C Series. I can make compelling arguments for both, based on stuff I've heard from all these jetblue pilot CEOs who claim to know "it's a done deal" both ways. The C Series would give us a lot more route versatility and longer term benefit IMO, as well as covering a lot of our old 320s that will need to get turned back in the next 5-10 years. But the cost of admission is higher based on the two companies' order books with BBD having a lot more other orders to work on. I think they has enough orders to keep the production line busy for awhile, and rising oil prices will keep helping these super casm efficient aircraft make sales. EMB needs some sales BADLY. And they can't afford to lose us as customers.

I am also 50/50 on whether we will replace our 60 E190s 1 for 1. I think if they go C series, they need to make a big order for lower pricing and longer term fleet planning. Also if they go CS, I think it will be during voting as a carrot. Those c series rates are sub-delta, and too low, but they are much better than the E190/195 rates. I think that was a strategic move to attract votes during crunch time. Or, if I'm wrong on that prediction, it could be played as a carrot to vote even without an order (playing off hope), and then after the vote closes, depending on if it's ratified, the E195-E2 order comes out and we are stuck flying a 126 seat plane at $207 an hour like a bunch of chumps.

With Air Baltic's order the other day of 60 more C series, and with all of Delta's orders, the delivery slots will likely be fairly sparse. The E195-E2 has relatively fewer orders, we have 24 orders on the books for more E190s in the next few years that we won't take, and so I imagine we could take delivery of more E195-E2s faster.

But, who cares, I don't buy planes, I fly them, and collect a pay check. So FUPM, more than $207 an hour!

Originally Posted by pilotpayne

It’s actually a very good tactic and if you shout down the people that don’t agree your definition wins. Not picking on anyone just an observation of conversations in today’s world

Originally Posted by BeatNavy

I am 50/50 on whether we will go E2 vs C Series. I can make compelling arguments for both, based on stuff I've heard from all these jetblue pilot CEOs who claim to know "it's a done deal" both ways. The C Series would give us a lot more route versatility and longer term benefit IMO, as well as covering a lot of our old 320s that will need to get turned back in the next 5-10 years. But the cost of admission is higher based on the two companies' order books with BBD having a lot more other orders to work on. I think they has enough orders to keep the production line busy for awhile, and rising oil prices will keep helping these super casm efficient aircraft make sales. EMB needs some sales BADLY. And they can't afford to lose us as customers.

I am also 50/50 on whether we will replace our 60 E190s 1 for 1. I think if they go C series, they need to make a big order for lower pricing and longer term fleet planning. Also if they go CS, I think it will be during voting as a carrot. Those c series rates are sub-delta, and too low, but they are much better than the E190/195 rates. I think that was a strategic move to attract votes during crunch time. Or, if I'm wrong on that prediction, it could be played as a carrot to vote even without an order (playing off hope), and then after the vote closes, depending on if it's ratified, the E195-E2 order comes out and we are stuck flying a 126 seat plane at $207 an hour like a bunch of chumps.

With Air Baltic's order the other day of 60 more C series, and with all of Delta's orders, the delivery slots will likely be fairly sparse. The E195-E2 has relatively fewer orders, we have 24 orders on the books for more E190s in the next few years that we won't take, and so I imagine we could take delivery of more E195-E2s faster.

But, who cares, I don't buy planes, I fly them, and collect a pay check. So FUPM, more than $207 an hour!

Originally Posted by Bluedriver

Those are the exact two scenarios I see happening.

David Puddy continues to ask the exact people that do NOT know the answer. There is so much disinformation being spread around, that anything we do hear is completely unreliable anyway.

If you other dude want to call worst seniority movement among our peers anything other than stagnant, knock yourselves out.

It's bad no matter what you call it.

Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand

I think the 3rd scenario is there is no fleet update and the 190 actually goes away.

Originally Posted by Gordie H

SHUT UP!! You’re WRONG!!! And a very bad person....

Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand

I think the 3rd scenario is there is no fleet update and the 190 actually goes away.

Originally Posted by pilotpayne

But depending how you look at it that would be a fleet update

Originally Posted by Bluedriver

Disregard....