CaptCoolHand

D@mnit....

windrider

CSeries is going away, Airbus wants to designate it as a new A200/280. What happens to current orders, who knows.

BeatNavy

The name may go away. The airplane and it’s orders aren’t.

Bluedriver

C stands for Carrot.

PasserOGas

What a sad, sad carrot. An RJ with pay rates well below the industry. "But it's NEW and SHINY!!"

Bluedriver

You're not wrong, but the REAL carrot is avoiding the alternative, which is an E95 order with pay rates far, far, far worse.

BJ makes bad look good by making the alternative worse!

hyperboy

If you talking about the E 190 its not below. We are setting the bar for that airframe. FYI. I am just talking about the 190 and what the mediator looks at.

This is a statement not an opinion.

Bluedriver

Well then maybe we should remove the 737 and the 737 operators from all of our Airbus rate computations?

benzoate

Its funny you mentioned that. Jetblue pilots have NEVER had a proverbial carrot dangled in front of them. What has been dangled, and subsequently taken away, was maintaining the current health care or pairing construction.

Thats how pathetic this place is. Other carriers are threatened with new AC orders or something along those lines but at jetblue they threaten you with something you already have.

BeatNavy

We are only setting the bar higher than what we set when we were the launch customer for it...which isn't saying much. We are responsible for such a low E190 industry rate, and no other airline has any reason to negotiate it higher, as it is a ghost rate everywhere else. Other 100-130 seat aircraft that they do have or are actually getting, is much higher. All other 190 ghost rates followed the low bar we set. The 195, and especially the 195-E2, although "pay banded across the rest of the industry" ought to have been fought harder for a separate rate. 195 E2 holds more than a CS100 and a 717, and is a lot more capable than the latter, and ought to be compensated accordingly. We dropped the ball on the 195 E2 rate. Unless the NC knows we have a pending announcement for the CS100/CS300, I see no reason why they would have agreed to add the E195-E2 to our current E190 pay family. As is, our pay rate only covers E190s, not 195s or E2s. We caved on adding the 195E2 rate...that's a huge loss for us, and a huge win for the company, unless we never get the E2s. If they can have us fly 128 seat E195-E2s for 80% of the pay of Delta's 717/CS100 rates (smaller aircraft), and 90% of HAL's 717 rates, the company won, bigly.