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03-27-2019, 01:46 AM
#221
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
Waiting has nothing to do with it. Standing up for yourself and demanding peer set compensation does. You think DAL wouldn't love to pay their pilots what we make? They dont because they know it would be a disaster. Their pilots would:
A. Never vote yes to our CBA.
B. Turn the operation upside down.
What they wouldn't do is make excuses for the company's greed.
A. Never vote yes to our CBA.
B. Turn the operation upside down.
What they wouldn't do is make excuses for the company's greed.
03-27-2019, 05:45 AM
#223
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
Yes, they were bottom of the barrel, waiting their turn accepting table scraps the previous 99 years. 
But we are talking now and they absolutely have a better contract and network. I definitely think it’s hard to compare what jetblue has to what Delta has. That’s like asking why an 18 year old doesn’t have his house paid off a vacation house a few cars and his retirement funded.
Historically speaking jetblue has actually done well in a tough environment, there is a lot to unpack there as well but they have survived and grown. Not if we could just get them to value the people that help make that happen we would be good.
03-27-2019, 07:13 AM
#224
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
I wouldn’t argue that but history wise it might be interesting. There were a bunch of mergers that make Delta what it is today. You definitely have a bankruptcy in there as well. Throw in a few furloughs. Back in the day I’m sure people were like dude don’t stay at Delta go to Eastern or Pan Am.
But we are talking now and they absolutely have a better contract and network. I definitely think it’s hard to compare what jetblue has to what Delta has. That’s like asking why an 18 year old doesn’t have his house paid off a vacation house a few cars and his retirement funded.
Historically speaking jetblue has actually done well in a tough environment, there is a lot to unpack there as well but they have survived and grown. Not if we could just get them to value the people that help make that happen we would be good.
But we are talking now and they absolutely have a better contract and network. I definitely think it’s hard to compare what jetblue has to what Delta has. That’s like asking why an 18 year old doesn’t have his house paid off a vacation house a few cars and his retirement funded.
Historically speaking jetblue has actually done well in a tough environment, there is a lot to unpack there as well but they have survived and grown. Not if we could just get them to value the people that help make that happen we would be good.
03-27-2019, 09:59 AM
#225
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
I would never argue that they have been at the top the whole time. That spot switches as a result of pattern bargaining. Yes they took concessions during bankruptcy, but have they ever accepted a bottom feeding CBA during the good times?
2. If any airline, including Delta, were in our shoes with an initial CBA, I think they would've gotten a similar result. It may be unpopular with some of you miserable types, but I think that the ALPA negotiating team did doggone good with this agreement, and they don't deserve the crap some of you spout.
We will be negotiating again before you know it, and we will have more improvements in the next CBA.
03-27-2019, 10:54 AM
#226
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Originally Posted by Southerner
1. I think that our CBA is not "bottom-feeding." It's a lot better than what we had (no CBA), and we made some solid gains with scope. It's a solid "middle of the road" agreement, which is exactly where we are as a company.
2. If any airline, including Delta, were in our shoes with an initial CBA, I think they would've gotten a similar result. It may be unpopular with some of you miserable types, but I think that the ALPA negotiating team did doggone good with this agreement, and they don't deserve the crap some of you spout.
We will be negotiating again before you know it, and we will have more improvements in the next CBA.
2. If any airline, including Delta, were in our shoes with an initial CBA, I think they would've gotten a similar result. It may be unpopular with some of you miserable types, but I think that the ALPA negotiating team did doggone good with this agreement, and they don't deserve the crap some of you spout.
We will be negotiating again before you know it, and we will have more improvements in the next CBA.
Seems folks don't wanna remember retirements being taken away in the past, or furloughs, or other negatives that the legacy pilots had to deal with.
03-27-2019, 11:47 AM
#228
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Originally Posted by Southerner
1. I think that our CBA is not "bottom-feeding." It's a lot better than what we had (no CBA), and we made some solid gains with scope. It's a solid "middle of the road" agreement, which is exactly where we are as a company.
2. If any airline, including Delta, were in our shoes with an initial CBA, I think they would've gotten a similar result. It may be unpopular with some of you miserable types, but I think that the ALPA negotiating team did doggone good with this agreement, and they don't deserve the crap some of you spout.
We will be negotiating again before you know it, and we will have more improvements in the next CBA.
2. If any airline, including Delta, were in our shoes with an initial CBA, I think they would've gotten a similar result. It may be unpopular with some of you miserable types, but I think that the ALPA negotiating team did doggone good with this agreement, and they don't deserve the crap some of you spout.
We will be negotiating again before you know it, and we will have more improvements in the next CBA.
03-27-2019, 01:37 PM
#229
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Originally Posted by Climbto450
Agreed, it’s not a mature contract like our legacy peers have. However, for a first contract we did pretty well. 2nd round is right around the corner hopefully we will stay strong and do well..
I can't wait to see the mental gymnastic people on here will go through to justify a pay cut with the next one.
My prediction, we will be in a recession, but B6 will still be profitable. It will be concessionary.
03-27-2019, 01:53 PM
#230
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
My QOL and pay have barely moved pre-CBA to post-CBA. Then again, I did what the arithmatic told me to do and sold my PTO. I can see why we only picketed once. Solid gains indeed.
I can't wait to see the mental gymnastic people on here will go through to justify a pay cut with the next one.
My prediction, we will be in a recession, but B6 will still be profitable. It will be concessionary.
I can't wait to see the mental gymnastic people on here will go through to justify a pay cut with the next one.
My prediction, we will be in a recession, but B6 will still be profitable. It will be concessionary.
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