No. There have been three important events so far (IMHO) – the NY & Boston rallys and the picket.

As I recall, last fall the MEC seemed to make a notably strong pitch to show up to these things and that they were important because they would show the company it’s not just a few top union guys demanding a good contract. They said it would show the pilots are unified and I assume (hopefully) provide the negotiating team with some leverage.

 

Joe brings up a good point.....we already know you didn't join 700 of your fellow pilots at the picket.....did you attend either the JFK or BOS rally?

 

I wasn't really arguing with Cool about growth, it was more about stagnation. Speaking of stagnating careers, did you listen to the Barclays JB presentation?

I was at JFK rally.

 

Oh my spin it spin it
Yeah he was talking about growth and you were saying it wasn’t enough. Growth and stagnation kind of go together it’s one or the other.

Yes I did listen to it, what did you get out of it.

 

You mean the part when they bragged enthusiastically about slowing growth, year after year, every year a little more, since 2014?

What lever do you think they are gonna pull when our CBA reduces their most important metric, margin, by .5%?

Actually, the discussion started because a few of us said our careers were stagnating/stagnant. Cool said no, we are taking airplanes, so technically we are not stagnating. Well, stagnating, relative to our peers that are either growing faster (some are) or retiring magnitudes more pilots (most are) is what many of us feel like is happening to our progression, relative to our peers. Feeling like your career is stagnating is subjective for sure, unless you are Rain Man and only literal interpretations are allowed. There is, in fact, a way to compile data that shows our growth/retirement progression does not match the growth/retirement progression of most of our peer-set.

You want to lay out the case our growth/retirement progression matches our peers or you wanna be Rain Man and insist on the literal interpretation of a "stagnating" career.

Not directed at you Cool.

 

A false choice which you are good at. There is a lot of room in the middle of your last paragraph.


And as far as bragging they were talking to investors what would you like them to say? You know investors get uneasy with growth, reference that one United Q call. Their point was they are growing at a reasonable and responsible rate. Not fast enough for you but it’s still constant growth.

 

They were talking to investors, and telling the truth.

You can call it room in the middle, but our growth (slow)/retirements (almost none) are bottom of our peer-set. Call that whatever you want. I'm not Rain Man.

And it's not a constant percentage rate of growth, it's a reducing percentage rate of growth. Just to be clear.

 

And there is room in the middle but in your world (shocker) it’s all or nothing.

Sure the growth has slowed yet it still exists.
Has there been a year since we were hired that we didn’t grow?

 

We could take one aircraft delivery a year, and you'd still be delighted. See, growth!

You have control Rain Man.

 

Where did I say delighted?
We could take 20 planes and Hayes could name one the bluedriver truth teller and you would still say it’s not enough.

Again both points live in the same world.
We can grow and also grow less than SWA.
What is so hard about that?

We continue to grow it’s a fact.

The funny thing about your rain man joke is you are rain man.
You couldn’t talk logic to the guy it was his way or nothing. Judge wapner is on judge wapner is on. I doubt rain man left any room for ideas and views other than his. Just like you EVERYONE else is wrong.