Originally Posted by Gordie H

Pretty amazing, looking back on it, some of the crap you put up with….but congrats on the new gig! Some old squadron mates / friends recently interviewed at SWA and a few didn’t make it through for whatever reason…and these were very qualified guys…..so good on you for getting it.

My good friend, whom is working there now, really likes it. And his second year W-2 is no joke…but you already knew that. All the best…..

Originally Posted by django

You ex mil guys just don’t get it..

Originally Posted by Ditka

Ch 10: Breaking ranks

For most of airline history, and never more so than in the 1970s, the military Served as the airlines’ farm club, turning out three quarters of the pilots who entered commercial aviation each year. These men were selected, both by the military and the airlines, in part according to whether they fit a paradoxical psychological profile: capable of operating well within a rigorous , rule-bound system, but also given to extreme independence and self-Assuredness of judgment when the situation demanded. It was precisely this combination of attributes that also made pilots prone to unionism.

Originally Posted by 11Bravo

Painting with a rather broad brush Django... many of us “military guys” were instrumental in supporting the drive for the union and we have not stopped fighting since. We all have the same enemy and let’s focus on them and stop pointing fingers. I know myself and many other of my military brothers are on board. Cheers my friend

Originally Posted by queue

Mil guys aren’t afraid of some stupid corporation. They’re killers.

The problem is that generally mil guys come from an atmosphere where their chain of command isn’t motivated purely by profit so it’s easier to drink the blue juice initially. They think the corporate environment is like the military where they are actually respected and valued. However this can quickly be overcome with a short history lesson on corporate antics.

Originally Posted by django

Q you and I may not always agree ,but you sir have exactly explained what was being conveyed in my statement.

“All animals are equal but some more than others . “ Napoleon

Originally Posted by BeatNavy

I figured since all the other threads have some updates here and there, this subject merits its own thread, so outsiders and wannabes can see what we are dealing with and come in with eyes wide open.

Management has declared war on the pilot group and won’t agree to a market rate contract even before the price went up across the industry. We have the highest profit margin per seat in the INDUSTRY. I heard a chief pilot (big company guy) say in private he has no idea why the company is doing this and that he recognizes the permanent damage the company is inflicting on itself by engaging in this kind of war.

Over 1,000 days negotiating, and the company still isn’t bringing reasonable market rate proposals, or agreeing to ours. Saddle up, boys. This is going to take a while and most likely a strike attempt. If you’re on the outside contemplating coming here, you are most likely taking a pay cut to come to what used to be a good place to work, but one that I now regret coming to work for. If I wasn’t on long term leave, I’d bail in a heartbeat. Maybe this place will be good one day, but our current management has made it clear that they are willing to sacrifice the brand and employee goodwill to save pennies, even in times of leading the industry in per seat profit.

Btw, they haven’t once said they can’t afford our proposals, just that they don’t want to pay it.

Originally Posted by alvrb211

Care to show the pay rates and benefits during the period you claim it was a "good place to work"?

Or, were you referring to "culture" only?


JJ

Originally Posted by slimothy

You are speaking as if BeatNavy’s post was in some way pro-company. I wasn’t in the industry, but as I understand it, post 9-11, when pilot groups were accepting concessionary contract, to prevent even more furloughs, JB was THE place to be. Still hiring, at a rate that was competitive. That’s not a pro-company statement, that’s simply history (as I understand it). Times have changed, the pay rates at JB have not.

Originally Posted by slimothy

You are speaking as if BeatNavy’s post was in some way pro-company. I wasn’t in the industry, but as I understand it, post 9-11, when pilot groups were accepting concessionary contract, to prevent even more furloughs, JB was THE place to be. Still hiring, at a rate that was competitive. That’s not a pro-company statement, that’s simply history (as I understand it). Times have changed, the pay rates at JB have not.