wette460

That is terrible! Despite our similar 1st year pay at G4, I hardly got used first year and was around $57K from picking up open time and extra reserve days...and I thought we had it bad. Are they contractually allowed to call you guys on days off? I feel for you guys and hope you get the contract you guys deserve. You guys run a great operation and your pay/work rules should reflect that. Best of luck!

UNDGUY

Are you paid your guarantee while in training? Just doing some simple math here 53x75x12 is 47K and change. How can your pay be that low?

embraerjetpilot

No, its 2000 a month... They do provide 28 dollars a day that you can use from an account at the lodge.

My first paycheck was around 800 and the next ones were 500 because of healthcare.

I considered being an uber driver year one. Even with ****ty first year pay, it is really hard to try to make anything extra. Its almost impossible on reserve.

Profit sharing helped a little bit. but now they've almost completely eliminated it. The tax bill encouraged them to send to money to stock buybacks instead of profit sharing.

UNDGUY

Ouch. Thats rough. I thought it was pretty standard even in the regionals to pay your guarantee while you are training. I know Endeavor does.

Bozo the pilot

Please refer to the Jetblue sucks thread. This is the least of the shortcomings at B6.
FUPM B6

Blue Dude

Training pay was $2500 more than 15 years ago, and it was adequate (not generous) then. It never increased for inflation or cost of living, and is the equivalent of $3700 today. New hires were also provided with lodging at a decent extended stay hotel and a rental car. After moving to Orlando the rental car went away but there was frequent van service and lots of food options within walking distance. When they began keeping new hires at the Lodge by the training center, they *cut* new hire pay but gave them a daily non-accumulating allowance for food at the Lodge. This was promoted as an effective increase but only served to keep the new hire captive for weeks at a time in the Bluthisphere. It's just a small indicator of what the powers that be really think of you. They actually monetized inadequate new hire pay for their new facility. Think about that.

UNDGUY

Well honestly I have been in the industry since 2007 and I've heard pilots from just about every airline that exists (except Delta, they are perfect in every way) *****, complain, and tell me how much their airline sucks. So I've come to the conclusion that pilots just love to complain and lose perspective as they climb the ranks. I know you are at Jet Blue and you compare yourself to Delta, United, American etc. Which makes it seem like it sucks at Jet Blue. If you compare your situation to that of literally any regional, you are way better off and are very lucky to be where you are at. It's all in how you look at it.

CaptCoolHand

Hurray!! 🤗

Flying for 20yrs and I’m at the best regional airline!

&@$#ing shoot me.

UNDGUY

You'll jump Spirit and probably match Alaska when you get your new contract and then you will be at the top of the second tier. Not a bad place to be. I'd take it. I'll have my app in soon. lol

BeatNavy

Huh? Second tier? Match Alaska? Eff that. That’s a no vote. We have more profit per seat than any other major airline, a biz/first class product that exceeds others, more legroom than legacies in coach and coach+, Europe ambitions, and aren’t exactly a LCC. Also, with slower growth than other airlines and a younger pilot group, we should be exceeding other airlines in every facet of the contract to remain competitive. Our peer set is DL, AA, UA, SWA, and ALK. Take their 2018, 2019, and 2020 airbus/73 rates, figure out the “market rate” of those (including the annual raises). That is what the JB rate needs to be. If not, gonna have to be the best contract in the history of major US airlines in every other facet for me to entertain it, and even then it’ll prob be a big no if it isn’t a market rate. FUPM. I hope if you ever get on property here you don’t have the same “happy to be here” mentality you’ve displayed in your last few posts...people like that cost me and my family money and QOL.