1st/2nd year practical issues
05-05-2018, 02:49 PM
#121
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Originally Posted by jtrain609
I'm not defending anything, I'm saying everyone fly's red eyes.
And the further the distance, the more you fly at night.
But since you hate yourself, why haven't you gone to one of the WO regionals so you can get a flow through to a real airline? Too scared? Afraid to put your money where your very large mouth is?
And the further the distance, the more you fly at night.
But since you hate yourself, why haven't you gone to one of the WO regionals so you can get a flow through to a real airline? Too scared? Afraid to put your money where your very large mouth is?
05-05-2018, 02:52 PM
#122
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Joined APC: May 2012
Posts: 1,099
Originally Posted by 654G
Like many others, in a less favorable position, I'm trying to get factual, unemotional information, so that I can make a decision about joining the company.
Since my recent post above, there have been six replies, only one of which, provided a useful piece of information - crew don't get crew meals - that's a big cost, and a big QOL issue - is that clear cut, or do you get access to meals on the airplane (not a great option, if available, but better than nothing).
If someone reading the thread can provide factual/practical information, rather than opinion (which is thoroughly documented in many other threads), that would be most welcome.
To say that it is half or a quarter of what you should, or otherwise make, is not helpful - what does it even mean, what's your benchmark, and this thread isn't about that. You documented on another thread, how much is your family's combined income - over six times the average income of a first year pilot. Can you please either provide the information, which some of us need, or channel your frustrations to the many other threads available.
The question was pretty basic, and one person in particular gave the most helpful piece of information I have yet seen (though a big thanks to others who tried to give perspective) - no emotion, no opinion, and totally informative.
I, and others have read about how bad things are - medical plan has often been touted. Can someone, please, illustrate that with an average cost of premium, cost of a doctor visit, something practical - I realize that people may opt for different plans - but something that we can hang our hat on, as we try to figure out what kind of financial situation we are going to find ourselves in.
In a nutshell. When you got your $40K odd the first year, and after you'd taken care of the basic obligations, both governmental and family, what were you left with. If you could stretch that to year 2 or 3, that would even be better.
Thanks
Since my recent post above, there have been six replies, only one of which, provided a useful piece of information - crew don't get crew meals - that's a big cost, and a big QOL issue - is that clear cut, or do you get access to meals on the airplane (not a great option, if available, but better than nothing).
If someone reading the thread can provide factual/practical information, rather than opinion (which is thoroughly documented in many other threads), that would be most welcome.
To say that it is half or a quarter of what you should, or otherwise make, is not helpful - what does it even mean, what's your benchmark, and this thread isn't about that. You documented on another thread, how much is your family's combined income - over six times the average income of a first year pilot. Can you please either provide the information, which some of us need, or channel your frustrations to the many other threads available.
The question was pretty basic, and one person in particular gave the most helpful piece of information I have yet seen (though a big thanks to others who tried to give perspective) - no emotion, no opinion, and totally informative.
I, and others have read about how bad things are - medical plan has often been touted. Can someone, please, illustrate that with an average cost of premium, cost of a doctor visit, something practical - I realize that people may opt for different plans - but something that we can hang our hat on, as we try to figure out what kind of financial situation we are going to find ourselves in.
In a nutshell. When you got your $40K odd the first year, and after you'd taken care of the basic obligations, both governmental and family, what were you left with. If you could stretch that to year 2 or 3, that would even be better.
Thanks
Reserve is 12 days off but with Jetblue reserve you will start early and end late. Each block of reserve simply add a day minimum since you will have to come in the night before to start reserve. In short plan for 9-10 days “off”.
Jetblue retirement requires you to provide 5% in order to receive 8%. Your peers are provided 15-16% monthly regardless of what they provide.
You have ZERO protections in the event of a merger. Section 15 of the PEA states the bottom 50% will not necessarily be integrated but you have a “moat”.
40% of Jetblue flying is red eyes.
Top captain pay is 218 when EVERY OTHER CARRIER is 250 and above.
Let’s talk about intangibles. You will be expected to clean the aircraft otherwise the VP of Customer Expereince has threatened to come after you.
The airline is so poorly managed operationally that we routinely shut down, Reset the say, the airline after a winter storm.
Jetblue is 12 out of 12 in terms on on-time performance. Fancy slogans aside Jetblue sinmply cant board an aircraft (D0) and arrive on-time(D14). Jetblue simply cant do it.
Jetblue has promoted VP’s with ZERO airline experience to decision making roles which have year over year yielded ZERO results in terms of improvement.
The recent VP of Flight OPs hire came from Great Lakes. Need I say more?
Every Jetblue pilot you meet will tell you this place has such potential but at some point the airline has to realize said potential. Year over year we are all disappointed.
In short if you have options at other carriers exercise them. Every other major airline will provide you with more than Jetblue. Potential doesn’t pay the bills and provide for retirement.
Lastly, “culture” is a Jetblue word loosely used to ask you to work harder for less. We have literally been told by former VP Maruster that at jetblue you have to sacrifice to work here. Again, need I say more.
Good luck to you and your decision. Sorry for the choppy response. Running late.
05-05-2018, 03:44 PM
#124
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Joined APC: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,445
Originally Posted by jtrain609
I'm not defending anything, I'm saying everyone fly's red eyes.
And the further the distance, the more you fly at night.
But since you hate yourself, why haven't you gone to one of the WO regionals so you can get a flow through to a real airline? Too scared? Afraid to put your money where your very large mouth is?
And the further the distance, the more you fly at night.
But since you hate yourself, why haven't you gone to one of the WO regionals so you can get a flow through to a real airline? Too scared? Afraid to put your money where your very large mouth is?
First off, I have my apps out. Second, if I could trade places with a 6 year capt at a regional with a flow I absolutely would.
Also, this place sucks. That is all.
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