JetBlue finally has come to the table
06-14-2018, 05:50 AM
#431
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Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot
You're not actually admitting that there are improvements are you? 
Oh thats right, you and your ilk haven't read it yet....No one has.
Oh thats right, you and your ilk haven't read it yet....No one has.
Improvements = not good enough. If you start from the bottom, just because you make a penny more, it doesn't fix the gross underpay problem.
No amount of legalisms will fix the sub-standard rates in the AIP bulletpoints. Bozo, you may be senior enough to exploit the "rules" but 99% of the rest of BJ pilots will not.
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06-14-2018, 06:01 AM
#432
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Originally Posted by queue
Improvements = not good enough. If you start from the bottom, just because you make a penny more, it doesn't fix the gross underpay problem.
No amount of legalisms will fix the sub-standard rates in the AIP bulletpoints. Bozo, you may be senior enough to exploit the "rules" but 99% of the rest of BJ pilots will not.
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No amount of legalisms will fix the sub-standard rates in the AIP bulletpoints. Bozo, you may be senior enough to exploit the "rules" but 99% of the rest of BJ pilots will not.
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
06-14-2018, 06:48 AM
#433
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Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot
Again, you are assuming things without knowledge. Good luck with that process.
Can the final language change/contradict the bulletpoint AIP Pay Rates by offering a whole new table with different rates?
Or can they only say something like BaseRate x 2 pay for RSAs?
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06-14-2018, 08:18 AM
#434
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Originally Posted by queue
We know the AIP bulletpoints specify Pay Rates.
Can the final language change/contradict the bulletpoint AIP Pay Rates by offering a whole new table with different rates?
Or can they only say something like BaseRate x 2 pay for RSAs?
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
Can the final language change/contradict the bulletpoint AIP Pay Rates by offering a whole new table with different rates?
Or can they only say something like BaseRate x 2 pay for RSAs?
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
06-14-2018, 08:50 AM
#436
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Posts: 1,206
Originally Posted by BeatNavy
Believe it or not, you can have both.
Until we see the language associated with those pay rates, we have no idea if they are good or bad.
06-14-2018, 10:50 AM
#437
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Originally Posted by Southerner
Work rules matter more than (or at least equal to) the pay rates.
I don't disagree they are equal... we got played in terms of rates. Only the 1% senior guys will be able to really take advantage of the rules in order to compensate for the industry trailing pay rates of the AIP bulletpoints.
We need PAY & RULES. No compromise on that.
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06-14-2018, 11:11 AM
#438
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Position: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
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Originally Posted by queue
I don't disagree they are equal... we got played in terms of rates. Only the 1% senior guys will be able to really take advantage of the rules in order to compensate for the industry trailing pay rates of the AIP bulletpoints.
We need PAY & RULES. No compromise on that.
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We need PAY & RULES. No compromise on that.
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If anything just vacation round bidding alone will make for a more fair vacation system vs the top heavy one we have now.
Btw no matter what the top guys will always do better. It’s the rules that move stuff to the lower guys. Why do you think at AMR or Delta it’s the senior guys going for pay first. Because they already are senior. We have seen it here on bluepilots there are a bunch of guys that don’t care about scope or work rules they just want pay.....hint they are not junior pilots.
06-14-2018, 04:23 PM
#439
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Joined APC: May 2013
Posts: 2,594
Originally Posted by queue
We know the AIP bulletpoints specify Pay Rates.
Can the final language change/contradict the bulletpoint AIP Pay Rates by offering a whole new table with different rates?
Or can they only say something like BaseRate x 2 pay for RSAs?
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
Can the final language change/contradict the bulletpoint AIP Pay Rates by offering a whole new table with different rates?
Or can they only say something like BaseRate x 2 pay for RSAs?
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
06-14-2018, 04:26 PM
#440
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
That’s not even true but who cares right.
If anything just vacation round bidding alone will make for a more fair vacation system vs the top heavy one we have now.
Btw no matter what the top guys will always do better. It’s the rules that move stuff to the lower guys. Why do you think at AMR or Delta it’s the senior guys going for pay first. Because they already are senior. We have seen it here on bluepilots there are a bunch of guys that don’t care about scope or work rules they just want pay.....hint they are not junior pilots.
If anything just vacation round bidding alone will make for a more fair vacation system vs the top heavy one we have now.
Btw no matter what the top guys will always do better. It’s the rules that move stuff to the lower guys. Why do you think at AMR or Delta it’s the senior guys going for pay first. Because they already are senior. We have seen it here on bluepilots there are a bunch of guys that don’t care about scope or work rules they just want pay.....hint they are not junior pilots.
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