JetBlue finally has come to the table
06-15-2018, 11:44 AM
#471
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,881
Originally Posted by pilotpayne
Do we know that’s what the deductible is?
We keep mixing facts and speculation here.
The only facts we know is the AIP.....full stop.
That is also taken way way out of context because we have 1+x= who knows. To could be 1 it could be 1001 we don’t know the end “value” of that cba until we have the language.
This is an exercise in stupidity until we have that TA if we even get that TA.
Maybe insurance is the same maybe it’s better.
So many unknowns.
We keep mixing facts and speculation here.
The only facts we know is the AIP.....full stop.
That is also taken way way out of context because we have 1+x= who knows. To could be 1 it could be 1001 we don’t know the end “value” of that cba until we have the language.
This is an exercise in stupidity until we have that TA if we even get that TA.
Maybe insurance is the same maybe it’s better.
So many unknowns.
Mark my words, tell I'm wrong after we see the language, but for everyday ops it's going to be pay rate x the greater of (block or TRIG or DRIG or 5*cal-day).
It's going to be pay rate times everything we know to be true right now, except we will 5 per calendar day now. That's for normal ops.
IROP may be different, but honestly I get IROP pay about 3 times per year. Great when it happens but a SWA paycheck it does not make.
06-15-2018, 01:01 PM
#472
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,132
Originally Posted by P-3Bubba
Q, I don’t think you’re a JB pilot. A cosmic soothsayer yes.
-Bubs
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06-15-2018, 01:12 PM
#473
Covfefe
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,001
Originally Posted by queue
Doesn't matter what people believe in regards to whom I fly for. My objective is to introduce better standards to this pilot group. There are already too many bozos at BJ.
06-15-2018, 01:27 PM
#474
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
Posts: 2,918
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
It's really not bud. There is no new secret way of calculating rigs like rig+rig+rig.
Mark my words, tell I'm wrong after we see the language, but for everyday ops it's going to be pay rate x the greater of (block or TRIG or DRIG or 5*cal-day).
It's going to be pay rate times everything we know to be true right now, except we will 5 per calendar day now. That's for normal ops.
IROP may be different, but honestly I get IROP pay about 3 times per year. Great when it happens but a SWA paycheck it does not make.
Mark my words, tell I'm wrong after we see the language, but for everyday ops it's going to be pay rate x the greater of (block or TRIG or DRIG or 5*cal-day).
It's going to be pay rate times everything we know to be true right now, except we will 5 per calendar day now. That's for normal ops.
IROP may be different, but honestly I get IROP pay about 3 times per year. Great when it happens but a SWA paycheck it does not make.
06-15-2018, 04:40 PM
#475
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2013
Posts: 2,594
Originally Posted by benzoate
No firing away Bozo. I appreciate your thought process.
If we were a dollar or two away on pay I would agree. The same goes for insurance.
Agreeing to allow jetblue the ability to maintain a $2600 deductible year after year is a firm NO vote for me. We work for absolute scum so this 4 year CBA will turn into the next 7 years. For me, it’s worrh waiting another 6 months or longer to ensure we aren’t locking in industry worst for 7 years.
If we were a dollar or two away on pay I would agree. The same goes for insurance.
Agreeing to allow jetblue the ability to maintain a $2600 deductible year after year is a firm NO vote for me. We work for absolute scum so this 4 year CBA will turn into the next 7 years. For me, it’s worrh waiting another 6 months or longer to ensure we aren’t locking in industry worst for 7 years.
They've been there for years, all of us have NOT. Who has the better perspective? Not me, and certainly not non-pilots (Q), posting here.
06-15-2018, 07:15 PM
#476
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,132
Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot
And I see your point too Ben. Believe me, if I thought that the NC didnt have a handle on what is possible by voting NO and waiting, Id want to let it ride too, however, at some point, you either trust or distrust the NC and MEC.
They've been there for years, all of us have NOT. Who has the better perspective? Not me, and certainly not non-pilots (Q), posting here.
They've been there for years, all of us have NOT. Who has the better perspective? Not me, and certainly not non-pilots (Q), posting here.
You *assume* they have a better perspective and you assume they are doing the best thing for us. They canceled the informational picket under VOLUNTARY action. Remember the RLA does not require us to appease BJ, a mediator, or an arbitrator. They did what they did VOLUNTARILY as the law states the entire RLA process provides only the option for VOLUNTARY resolution. They did it because it's what ALPA recommended/told them they do. It's not the only way, just a path they have generally traveled before. So don't confuse most effective with a well traveled road.
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06-16-2018, 05:52 AM
#477
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2012
Posts: 1,099
Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot
And I see your point too Ben. Believe me, if I thought that the NC didnt have a handle on what is possible by voting NO and waiting, Id want to let it ride too, however, at some point, you either trust or distrust the NC and MEC.
They've been there for years, all of us have NOT. Who has the better perspective? Not me, and certainly not non-pilots (Q), posting here.
They've been there for years, all of us have NOT. Who has the better perspective? Not me, and certainly not non-pilots (Q), posting here.
06-16-2018, 06:06 AM
#478
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Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,132
Originally Posted by benzoate
My thought process is this. At some point the NC says we want X and the company say we want Y. There is enough in the existing AIP that it would be illogical for the either the union or the company to keep going back and forth. The rest is where we are now and the pilot group has to decide. In every negotiation I have been a part of most often then not this first TA has gone back and more has been achieved.
Speaking of which, make sure that B6ALPA NEVER agrees to binding arbitration. If they do, they will have sold you out. Agreeing to binding arbitration too is a voluntary action.
Read the short version of the RLA... compare people's impressions and actions vs. the actual law... open your minds beyond what other people in power have thought for you...
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06-16-2018, 11:33 AM
#479
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: 1Durrty5
Posts: 290
Originally Posted by queue;2615477
Speaking of which, make sure that B6ALPA NEVER agrees to binding arbitration. If they do, they will have sold you out. Agreeing to binding arbitration too is a [B
Speaking of which, make sure that B6ALPA NEVER agrees to binding arbitration. If they do, they will have sold you out. Agreeing to binding arbitration too is a [B
voluntary[/B] action.
Either of those would tell you arbitration is not on the table.
Alaska got shafted with arbitration as it was part of their negotiated JCBA process. We're not in that situation.
06-16-2018, 12:29 PM
#480
Banned
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Posts: 1,132
Originally Posted by The701Express
Go read the ALPA Constitution and By-laws and see what it has to say about membership ratification of contracts, LOAs, and MOUs. Then take a moment to learn some of our recent history regarding the membership vote for the 8% "raise".
Either of those would tell you arbitration is not on the table.
Alaska got shafted with arbitration as it was part of their negotiated JCBA process. We're not in that situation.
Either of those would tell you arbitration is not on the table.
Alaska got shafted with arbitration as it was part of their negotiated JCBA process. We're not in that situation.
I have read them. Those documents are not written in stone. Plus, certain people have certain god-powers in ALPA to do override their policies. I don't see this as a problem but it could be, theoretically. I'm more worried about a 12-0 AIP sent to the most defeated pilot group on the planet... they are begging for table scraps.
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