JetBlue finally has come to the table
06-19-2018, 08:30 AM
#531
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Originally Posted by BunkerF16
My point is, there won't be many new pilots hired. This agreement and the carrots extended with the open time/IROPs will ensure we don't hire anywhere near the amount of pilots they should.
With respect to PTOSB it is and has always been a scam. Whiles it’s not popular to state that and support its removal from the upcoming CBA the ability to bid and be awarded vacations not in September/October benefits the greater good. Never should paid time sick have been used as income. Sadly it did for some and hence the discontent.
06-19-2018, 08:38 AM
#532
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Originally Posted by benzoate
There will be no shortage of *****s who will gladly line up on their days off to rsa/vda. This alone limits the need to hire more pilots. The only issue is will these pilots time out faster. As it stands now the airline is actively tracking this.
With respect to PTOSB it is and has always been a scam. Whiles it’s not popular to state that and support its removal from the upcoming CBA the ability to bid and be awarded vacations not in September/October benefits the greater good. Never should paid time sick have been used as income. Sadly it did for some and hence the discontent.
With respect to PTOSB it is and has always been a scam. Whiles it’s not popular to state that and support its removal from the upcoming CBA the ability to bid and be awarded vacations not in September/October benefits the greater good. Never should paid time sick have been used as income. Sadly it did for some and hence the discontent.
I don't disagree with your comments about the summer allocation. I think it's long overdue. Along with the round robin vacation bidding as well. And as a guy who sold back 150hrs of PTO each year, I was very much on board with removing this company-benefiting program as long as our vacation/sick system along with a commensurate increase in pay rates made up for it.
The bullet points I've read, and the conversations I've had with my LEC rep has not convinced me what we gave up to gain the allocation/distribution we should have had all along, was worth what we gave up.
06-19-2018, 09:04 AM
#533
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Originally Posted by BunkerF16
I don't disagree with your comments about the summer allocation. I think it's long overdue. Along with the round robin vacation bidding as well. And as a guy who sold back 150hrs of PTO each year, I was very much on board with removing this company-benefiting program as long as our vacation/sick system along with a commensurate increase in pay rates made up for it.
The bullet points I've read, and the conversations I've had with my LEC rep has not convinced me what we gave up to gain the allocation/distribution we should have had all along, was worth what we gave up.
The bullet points I've read, and the conversations I've had with my LEC rep has not convinced me what we gave up to gain the allocation/distribution we should have had all along, was worth what we gave up.
In reality we been lacking in every area since the inception of this airline so the thought we should give up anything to gain something industry standard is difficult to swallow.
06-19-2018, 09:38 AM
#534
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Originally Posted by benzoate
There will be no shortage of *****s who will gladly line up on their days off to rsa/vda. This alone limits the need to hire more pilots. The only issue is will these pilots time out faster. As it stands now the airline is actively tracking this.
With respect to PTOSB it is and has always been a scam. Whiles it’s not popular to state that and support its removal from the upcoming CBA the ability to bid and be awarded vacations not in September/October benefits the greater good. Never should paid time sick have been used as income. Sadly it did for some and hence the discontent.
With respect to PTOSB it is and has always been a scam. Whiles it’s not popular to state that and support its removal from the upcoming CBA the ability to bid and be awarded vacations not in September/October benefits the greater good. Never should paid time sick have been used as income. Sadly it did for some and hence the discontent.
Just because you guys don’t use or like PtoSb doesn’t mean you guys have to dis those of us that do.
06-19-2018, 09:45 AM
#535
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Originally Posted by BunkerF16
It won't. With rumored open time changes and RSA/VDA going to 175%/200%, they'll still be able to keep manning down.
Let's not worried about guys who aren't on property. Let's worry about our lives and QOL for the guys who are here right now.
Let's not worried about guys who aren't on property. Let's worry about our lives and QOL for the guys who are here right now.
Yeah and moving up the seniority list wouldn’t be helpful?
06-19-2018, 09:46 AM
#536
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Originally Posted by embraerjetpilot
Just because you guys don’t use or like PtoSb doesn’t mean you guys have to dis those of us that do.
06-19-2018, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by embraerjetpilot
Just because you guys don’t use or like PtoSb doesn’t mean you guys have to dis those of us that do.
For the majority of pilots the ability to bid and be awarded a vacation period is greater than the ability to sell unusable vacation time.
06-19-2018, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Ok, I'll play, which AIP provision do you see requiring more pilots?
A you know the answer to
And
B I can’t really answer.
This is your standard game. The things in the AIP would be vacation distribution and pairing construction/work rules.
Now how many pilots that will require I have no idea could be none. That’s why I said.
Let’s see if this contract forces real hiring not. I didn’t say anything about the AIP. And I’m sure you would agree that the companies goal is to keep hard count to a minimum that’s what our current PEA is all about.
Respectfully bud your game is a little old. Do you see me cheerleading this thing? No I have mainly kept quiet or used a lot of Maybe, could be, let’s see stuff.
06-19-2018, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by hilltopflyer
But it is a scam. If you didn’t have to use to supplement your low pay you wouldn’t have to use it. If you didn’t sell it back and took vacation or pto you would have a lot more seniority because they would have to hire a lot more. The nc seemed to go backwards on the proposal so I’m not happy at all with this.
For the record we didn’t always have PTOSB. For many years pilots complained about the inability to use PTO or availability for vacation. The airline responded. In an effort to assist pilots to use a benefit the airline never intended for them to use PTOSB was created.
06-19-2018, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
Bluedriver why do you ask me questions
A you know the answer to
And
B I can’t really answer.
This is your standard game. The things in the AIP would be vacation distribution and pairing construction/work rules.
Now how many pilots that will require I have no idea could be none. That’s why I said.
Let’s see if this contract forces real hiring not. I didn’t say anything about the AIP. And I’m sure you would agree that the companies goal is to keep hard count to a minimum that’s what our current PEA is all about.
Respectfully bud your game is a little old. Do you see me cheerleading this thing? No I have mainly kept quiet or used a lot of Maybe, could be, let’s see stuff.
A you know the answer to
And
B I can’t really answer.
This is your standard game. The things in the AIP would be vacation distribution and pairing construction/work rules.
Now how many pilots that will require I have no idea could be none. That’s why I said.
Let’s see if this contract forces real hiring not. I didn’t say anything about the AIP. And I’m sure you would agree that the companies goal is to keep hard count to a minimum that’s what our current PEA is all about.
Respectfully bud your game is a little old. Do you see me cheerleading this thing? No I have mainly kept quiet or used a lot of Maybe, could be, let’s see stuff.
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