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Originally Posted by seekingblue (Post 2621443)

I haven't read the final language. But my understand is that you can be put on a DH from your home base to your DH city provided you have a JetBlue flight.

For example:

DH JFK-BOS
BOS-SEA
Overnight.
SEA-BOS
DH BOS-JFK

If you lived in MCO, you could elect to be put on a DH from MCO-BOS and BOS-MCO in lieu of your DH to/from Boston to JFK.

It's a very nice touch.

United has this and it’s fantastic. As a commuter when I was domestic I would bid for DHs on the start and end of trips just to get the DH home.

Word of caution:

it is difficult to get released from the DH home due to reassignments and they almost never release a reserve with days left to that home DH. I’ve never had a problem on the DH TO work.

Also at UA you are responsible for your own transportation to/from the hotel if the DH begins or ends at a layover point. You will keep the hotel room but not the car.

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Originally Posted by seekingblue (Post 2621428)

We are held back on that by everyone else's 190 rates. Which really sucks.

I think we will see huge movement toward the bus with the 190 becoming a defacto "JetBlue express" thats on property.

We need to look at the 717 and CS 100 rates at other carriers for guidance.

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Originally Posted by PasserOGas (Post 2621472)

We need to look at the 717 and CS 100 rates at other carriers for guidance.

But we are way behind there also...

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Originally Posted by MGMTiswatchingU (Post 2621450)

I think this is really nice to have also. Like a postive space to and/or from work if your duty starts with a DH and/or finishes with a DH

It is very nice, but it won't apply to that many pairings. Maybe if you are super senior and can bid these it will help. It certainly doesn't make up for all the other sections.

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Originally Posted by seekingblue (Post 2621428)

We are held back on that by everyone else's 190 rates. Which really sucks.

I think we will see huge movement toward the bus with the 190 becoming a defacto "JetBlue express" thats on property.

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Originally Posted by hilltopflyer (Post 2621475)

But we are way behind there also...

Why do you say way behind? Delta E195 rates for a 12yr captain are listed at $206/hr. The TA has us at $207.20 on DOS. Not trying to argue, just looking to see if I missed something while going through the comparison guide (Which lists DL/HAL 717 rates). We're definitely behind on CS100/300 rates though.

Got it. But if my pairing starts with a DH I’m selfing in position. To each their own. Really doesn’t do much. I’d rather have AA where if you to the jumpseat on a DH they pay you $500

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Originally Posted by N311JB (Post 2621526)

Got it. But if my pairing starts with a DH I’m selfing in position. To each their own. Really doesn’t do much. I’d rather have AA where if you to the jumpseat on a DH they pay you $500

Would you bump me out of the JS for $500?

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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 2621530)

Would you bump me out of the JS for $500?

I’d never bump anyone. But I’d sell my first born for a DH turn

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Originally Posted by AYLflyer (Post 2621524)

The 190 in general in the airline world is really held back. It's a 100 seater but it's treated like a 50 seater when it comes to pay for some reason.

I will say though, while I'm disappointed in how the 190s are viewed, I am very happy about scope. I bet every single one of us at one point in time while flying for a regional said we'd gladly fly a CRJ for enough money. Well, I'd rather keep the 'express' flying on property and have slightly under mainline rates if our scope, scheduling and other work rules are on par or better with the industry. Not everything is about having the highest pay rate.

Why do you say way behind? Delta E195 rates for a 12yr captain are listed at $206/hr. The TA has us at $207.20 on DOS. Not trying to argue, just looking to see if I missed something while going through the comparison guide (Which lists DL/HAL 717 rates). We're definitely behind on CS100/300 rates though.

E195s dont exist anywhere else so no one negotiates higher rates for them. It’s wasted negotiating capital. 195E2 holds more and goes farther than a 717. That’s the plane they have, and that’s the plane they got higher rates for. Wanna argue E190 rates are ok, well fine, I disagree, but I won’t waste too much breath on a fleet that’s going away. But you cannot make a valid argument that a 124-128 seat E195E2, bigger than a CS100 and 717, should pay $40-$50 less than Delta’s 717 and CS100 rates. If we set the bar for this new plane (195E2) this low, we are screwing ourselves.

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Originally Posted by AYLflyer (Post 2621524)

DAL doesn't fly it. AA pilots spend very little time on it and they are all being sold. We have to compare it with other 100ish seat airplanes and when you do that it becomes clear how poorly it is paid. Then, add 44 seats for the same pay.

From wikipedia:
"The E195-E2 (EMB 190-400) will be extended by three seat rows from the E195 by 2.85 m (9.4 ft), and will accommodate up to 144 seats."

That is 6 short of a current A320, paid like a current E190. :eek:

Great deal for the company.

Um... Vote Yes?? Right Bubs??