So thats the working theory?
Could happen. Do you actually think it will?
How long will it take?

I won't make a final voting decision until near the end of the voting window, but I have to say, you and Bandwagon are quite impressive.

Is the company buying you out of your trips for the next month or do they expect you to do all these posts on your time off?

I don't post on here often and my opinion is worth exactly what you paid for it. With that being said this is how I see it with the current information we have been provided.

Our current "PEA" provides no protection or barrier from this dreadfully fluid industry. The current TA information is not perfect, nor do certain sections meet my expectations, mainly Profit Sharing and Health Insurance. Many sections were also simply brought up to the industry average, not the end of the world and I hope to see improvements there during our next negotiation period.

Scope can be very easy to dismiss as "it won't affect us anytime soon" or "we aren't large enough yet" etc. Ask the pilots furloughed after
9-11 how quickly scope crept up on them. Anyone flying or furloughed during that time understands that if ALL legacies held ironclad scope most of us would be at DAL, UAL, or American right now. Also, the over 10,000 pilots furloughed industry-wide would have been back on the property much sooner, negating at least some portion of the devasting affects those years had on their families and careers. Scope is your job, there is a reason SWA holds onto scope so tightly and for the same reasons why we should take a hard look at our own when considering our vote.

Work Rules - Talk with a pilot who has been through furlough, concessions, bankruptcy etc. Ask that pilot what goes first, money or work rules. Companies always go after wages and retirement first when seeking concessions. The work rules are the only thing left that maintain a semblance of QOL. Talk with an American pilot about giving up work rules for pay, if you think we are going to achieve better rates by going back to the table and not giving up anything you may want to talk with some of your more experienced compadres. Work rules can also be the toughest to negotiate due to the company understanding how hard it is to get work rules back; I applaud our NC for this big win in my opinion.

Codified STD, LTD, Sick Bank Cashout at Retirement, 15% DC etc. - Codifying these items provides a tremendous amount of protection for you and your family. Ask any one of the thousands of pilots out on disability. Currently, these items can be taken away from us at the first sign of economic problems, codifying provides a significant amount of protection for you and your loved ones.

Putting SWA level Scope and industry-leading work rules in place today gives us a very solid platform from which to negotiate from tomorrow. Add codifying many of our already solid sections that protect income loss and retirement it is very tough to tell my family, we will be okay don't worry, I am voting No. With that being said I still need to read the final language, attend a roadshow and make sure I am making the best possible decision for my family.

Very well put. Exactly why I'm planning to vote yes (once I read the final language)

The TA is finally here
 

Slightly relieved after reading the posts on here today. Honestly I’m leaning yes. I’m am pretty ****ed at the 2% cola and implementation but not sure if it’s enough to vote no for me.

However reading over at BP for the last 24 hours and I thought there wasn’t any honest evaluation going on. Glad to see a bit of sanity here with rational thought out arguments on the Yes and No sides.


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Good post, but we have not achieved Southwest Airlines scope at the top end, which is also very important.

The 5 hr trigger over 00:59AM is nice. Could be a good way to make a little extra if you're based in JFK with delays.

And another question The 14hr duty day, is that a hard number even with delays?

Dear Blue pilots, due to technical difficulties, we will not be switching on the "00:59" rig protections as scheduled. Unfortunately we were not given an estimated time from our business partner and do not have any additional information at this time.

We do however have some good news to report, our business partner was able to finalize coding on our OE pairing removal software and we are pleased to announce that we will be removing 75%, or more, of OE pairings from next months bid package, 3 months earlier than agreed!

Please sign up for a rotation in the T5 vegetable garden for your upcoming *day* off.

Stop it, I had Diet Coke coming out of my nose.

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It's better than what we have now. We'll really get em next time.