Originally Posted by BeatNavy (Post 2621549)

but I won’t waste too much breath on a fleet that’s going away.

Originally Posted by seekingblue (Post 2621428)

We are held back on that by everyone else's 190 rates. Which really sucks.

I think we will see huge movement toward the bus with the 190 becoming a defacto "JetBlue express" thats on property.

Originally Posted by jetpilot285 (Post 2621581)

If it passes when does the contract go into the effect?

Originally Posted by dontsurf (Post 2621596)

i am kind of leaning "no" right now based on implementation of reserve and the pay rates for the giant category of "e190/e2-190/e195/e2-195".

that category covers planes that have a lot of different numbers of seats, and get to be almost as big as an a320, for a lot less pay.

Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot (Post 2621611)

Do you think that will change in a year when we have something different?
Maybe, but in the meantime, no Scope and work rule improvements.
For those who dont know this: SCOPE=JOB. WORK RULES=QOL.
Did I type that loudly enough?
The pay could be higher and I hate B6 for weaseling out of proper profit sharing, but talk to your reps at the roadshows and see if they think that PS or Health care would ever improve greatly even IF we did vote this down, re-elect another NC/MEC and **** and moan for another year.
Vote your wallet and QOL, not your ego or anger.
Easier said than done for us all I admit.

Originally Posted by AYLflyer (Post 2621524)

The 190 in general in the airline world is really held back. It's a 100 seater but it's treated like a 50 seater when it comes to pay for some reason.

I will say though, while I'm disappointed in how the 190s are viewed, I am very happy about scope. I bet every single one of us at one point in time while flying for a regional said we'd gladly fly a CRJ for enough money. Well, I'd rather keep the 'express' flying on property and have slightly under mainline rates if our scope, scheduling and other work rules are on par or better with the industry. Not everything is about having the highest pay rate.




Why do you say way behind? Delta E195 rates for a 12yr captain are listed at $206/hr. The TA has us at $207.20 on DOS. Not trying to argue, just looking to see if I missed something while going through the comparison guide (Which lists DL/HAL 717 rates). We're definitely behind on CS100/300 rates though.

Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot (Post 2621611)

Do you think that will change in a year when we have something different?
Maybe, but in the meantime, no Scope and work rule improvements.
For those who dont know this: SCOPE=JOB. WORK RULES=QOL.
Did I type that loudly enough?
The pay could be higher and I hate B6 for weaseling out of proper profit sharing, but talk to your reps at the roadshows and see if they think that PS or Health care would ever improve greatly even IF we did vote this down, re-elect another NC/MEC and **** and moan for another year.
Vote your wallet and QOL, not your ego or anger.
Easier said than done for us all I admit.

Originally Posted by PasserOGas (Post 2621559)

DAL doesn't fly it. AA pilots spend very little time on it and they are all being sold. We have to compare it with other 100ish seat airplanes and when you do that it becomes clear how poorly it is paid. Then, add 44 seats for the same pay.


From wikipedia:
"The E195-E2 (EMB 190-400) will be extended by three seat rows from the E195 by 2.85 m (9.4 ft), and will accommodate up to 144 seats."


That is 6 short of a current A320, paid like a current E190. :eek:


Great deal for the company.



Um... Vote Yes?? Right Bubs??