You're not calling Southerner a liar, you're calling the NC liars.

Attacking the union is unacceptable.

F Off dude. I'm not attacking anyone in the union. I'm a volunteer and have worked really hard towards getting this pilot group unified and keeping everyone informed. I appreciate everything the NC guys did and they should never buy a beer again. They got us as far as they could and should be commended for it.


My comments were made for Southerner and Southerner alone.

Do you know what cognitive dissonance is? You sure should... lol

You are a company plant and someone who benefits handsomly from special status that the rest of us don't enjoy. You are also making arguments based on pure emotion and pseudo-statistics that are just speculative. You make more noise than most people but that doesn't mean you're correct about anything. In fact, you've been wrong about many things you've said.



This TA is full of legal traps (e.g. the Dependability Policy is now officially a contract element) and substandard pay.



There is no harm in voting NO and fixing a few things in this TA to get a better TA that is actually industry rate. This TA still falls short of industry unless you consider yourself part of Cubana or Great Lakes.


People like you are betting on people's ignorance of the process in order to achieve YOUR goals. The truth is that we don't have to settle for less.


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Not to mention, virtually every economist has shown that despite whatever three letter contraction they put behind their names, no one can read the future. The stock market and the market are in general a stochastic process that a simple economist multivariable equation can't easily describe. Larry the Cable Guy is just as qualified to speculate about the economy.



You are trying to scare people into voting Yes because you are a company plant. That's why you block me, because you know I'm right and you can't entertain my opposing ideas.



What we need to do is Vote NO on this contract, then Vote YES when it gets rewritten with a few adjustments. Right now we are settling for the first girl we ever meet.







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Pure speculation. You just want people to accept a substandard contract because you are a company plant.



We've seen BJ do this with the FA union too... remember the fake "FA" website they set up, which looked incredibly professional? It doesn't cost much to pay someone like Southerner with special treatment or looking the other way when he needs it.





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I *believe* you are correct.


But I *know* that what is happening now is unprecedented (in a good way). No one can predict the future particularly with an unprecedented trajectory. We KNOW that analysists have been consistently wrong. We KNOW the media is simply a tool of political parties and thus they tell you what to think. People who know HOW to think aren't buying any fear-mongering, like what Southerner is blabbing about. The truth is that Trump, like him or not, is re-plumbing the economy to give the USA the equal footing it has lost over the last 40 years. E.U. countries and China steal from the USA by imposing super high tariffs on our exports while we have little or NO tariffs on imports. When Americans are allowed to compete on equal grounds (e.g. no slave labor from China or government subsidized companies in E.U.), we kick a$$. I'm extremely optimistic that we can Vote NO then renegotiate TA 2.0 with some adjustments to truly make this an industry rate contract. Right now it's substandard and legally dangerous (e.g. the official legitimization of the Dependability Policy and outsourcing to various BJ policies).



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HB, don't you do more stuff than line pilots for the company?







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Considered and rejected being on the grounds of being pure speculation without factual basis. No one can read the future, except maybe Southerner. The economic plumbing is being redone to put this country on equal footing with the leeches of the world (e.g. the E.U., China). They take huge tariffs on our exports. They manipulate the currency (China). They use slave labor (China - FoxConn). And they subsidize their corporations through military ownership (China) and government handouts (E.U.). If the USA gets to compete fairly again, we will dominate and our negotiating posture will only get better and better. Never underestimate the American worker!









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This message is hidden because queue is on your ignore list.

6 of these in a row! :p:p:p

What is union elected servants sell you out? Are you saying that it never happens elsewhere? You know, there are plenty of examples.


You should consider the logic of Voting NO now, refining the contract, then Vote YES. There's no reason to accept substandard offerings. This is part of the game of negotiation. For all you YES voters, just watch a few episodes of Pawn Stars to learn bargaining 101. There's also literally thousands of books on the subject. No one says Yes the first time, particularly with all the serious deficiencies of TA 1.0. We can renegotiate a few things to get a vastly superior TA 2.0. Unity is more than just wearing a lanyard, it means that you have the intellectual fortitude not to accept table scraps.


Also, read the Railway Labor Act. You'll see that the entire negotiating paradigm is VOLUNTARY and is not prescribed by law. The law lets us challenge proposals and even our own union if they deliver substandard results. We don't need a coup, we just need to Vote NO, renegotiate, then get a bigger better TA 2.0.





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There are some glaringly dangerous things in this contract. Why don't you read the sections that outsource to already controversial BJ policies. This contract puts into legal language the Dependability Policy which still doesn't draw lines... it basically says you are always guilty. Read the part about company directed medical evaluations and the lack of protection for medical records. It is grossly negligently written and doesn't even mention HIPAA-style protections. What if BJ misplaces records or accidentally hits REPLY ALL? What if their company payroll doctor is getting secret kickbacks to give scrutiny to pilots with medical issues, such as several guys here who have cancer? You wouldn't stand a chance ever proving anything in court because the contract doesn't give you any real protections or ability to scrutinize the process. BJ has no business keeping ANY medical records beyond "qualified" or "disqualified". You know all these things have happened before in virtually every industry. This contract opens the door for abuse and errors without our ability to truly fight back and defend our certificate.





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2 more!

lol

Wait.. what I miss? Oh yea...:D
Phew.

It works out better to talk through you while pointing out that you have to ignore people you can't control.



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Queue is Barney. What an rediculous excuse for a human. Go away, non-member...

It works out better to talk through you while pointing out that you have to ignore people you can't control.

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Finkle is Einhorn; Einhorn is Finkle. :D

Something like that. Haha

Wait a second...stop the music! Queue is Barney? So what you are saying is that he has multiple personality disorder? I guess I was right about his mental well-being. That’s why he is so damn scared of the jb doc

I think you got the wrong one. I'm not the one with Stockholm Syndrome or am a leftist authoritarian liberal.

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The economic data says differently. A few tarrifs on cheese and bourbon are not going to crash the economy.

We have the lowest unemployment on decades, Waters are actually rising for once and 80% of tax payers got a cut.

You also should do some research. Gdp projections have gone from 3.5% to 5%.

We are entering the best economy in decades.

The economy can’t be getting better?!
Businesses around the country are closing up shop. It’s like the depression all over again.

Come on let’s put on our rich white guy hats and go poke the kids in the cage that we stole from their parents! I bet they cry.

Again... just in case. Sarcasm off.

Your gun is digging into my hip...

It's already beginning to affect the airline sector.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/th...ays-2018-07-03

"The possibility that the current trade dispute between the U.S. and its global partners could become something bigger is problematic for the industry’s top line given how closely correlated it is to imports and exports of goods and services,” Linenberg wrote in a note to clients. “Furthermore, the growing trade dispute may cause U.S. companies to reconsider their [capital expenditure] and employment plans, which would adversely impact corporate travel.”

Trump is clueless and vindictive. If he expands this trade war into the auto sector: Brace for impact.

I'm voting Yes. A bird in the hand is better than two in the bush. But that is just my opinion and everyone should weigh the pros and cons of everything and make their own informed decision.


-Sun Tzu

Where in the world did you get that idea?

https://data.oecd.org/gdp/real-gdp-forecast.htm

The tax cuts will keep things humming for a while and will likely exacerbate the inevitable downturn with a soaring debt to GDP ratio. Nobody knows when or how bad the next recession will be.

That is hilarious.

A few points to insert a little reality. Tariffs are not the only forms of trade protectionism. Google U.S. farm subsidies or Boeing protectionism for some basic trade education.

Also, China doesn't need to worry about domestic politics. The U.S. President does and Trump ****ed away all his leverage against China by scuttling TPP and alienating our former allies. Heck we have a trade surplus with Canada. His 'easy' trade war is already costing him votes as people slowly figure out that reality is a bit more complicated than they were led to believe.

P.S. I love your disclaimer at the bottom of your posts. It is as silly as it is legally useless, but I am sure at least one person is impressed by it.

You mean that you place your faith in all those analysts and the Democrat's media echo chamber to tell you the truth?


Weren't they wrong about... EVERYTHING??


Like Trump or not, the plumbing is being fixed on the country's leaking frame. We can't subsidize the world and we shouldn't. If they want to have 40% tariffs on our goods, why shouldn't we reciprocate and make it even? Why is fairness not allowed to be applied to the USA?



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Ok here's some reality. TPP was grossly unfair to the USA. Again it makes us pay for the ineptitudes of other governments, particularly the socialistic ones that always implode on themselves. Furthermore, you must have completely missed the most controversial chapter of the TPP that was kept top secret until it got leaked... the part about intellectual property. The IP provisions of the TPP would have allowed Chinese style censorship here in the USA, which is what the establishment wants. Go read the TPP sometime... then tell me how I'm wrong.


At some point someone has to give the country the bad tasting medicine. Previous socialistic policies have created a recipe for disaster, much like every other socialistic country in the world. Have you checked the utter disasters called the E.U., Cypress, Italy, Venezuela, Mexico? If the trade inequalities don't get fixed, we would eventually get to the point those other countries got to. Trade is good, unfair trade is bad. Why should we accept unfair trade policies? Why are you complaining about making the playing field equal?



p.s. it's been legally tested - I doubt you can claim that.



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Cypress is a tree.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/04/us-p...na-mexico.html


'We are the casualty:' US pig farmers brace for second round of pork tariffs from China, Mexico

"We put a halt on all investment, not just because we will be losing money, but because we don't know if growing in the U.S. is the right move if we won't be an exporting country," said Ken Maschhoff, chairman of Maschhoff Family Foods and co-owner of the nation's largest family-owned pork producer.

Maschhoff said the farm industry has been "asked to be good patriots. We have been. But I don't want to be the patriot who dies at the end of the war. If we go out of business, it's tough to look at my kids and the 550 farm families that look us into the eye and our 1,400 employees."

And speaking of going out of business:

70% of BMW's output from their factory in Spartanburg, South Carolina is exported to overseas markets. If Trump expands this trade war into the auto sector, those jobs get shifted to plants outside of the US and the customers will still buy those BMWs. But, those 9,000 good-paying jobs in Spartanburg disappear.

Trump is clueless and vindictive. If he expands this trade war into the auto sector: Brace for impact. Trump country will be hurt the most.

I'm voting to take the deal that's on the table. I'm voting Yes.

It's a beautiful place too...

• Cyprus
• With Greece on the brink, let's remember what happened when Cyprus' banks shut down

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At some point you have to do triage and put a bandage on it to stop the bleeding... we can't subsidize the world at our expense. Medicine always tastes bad, but it sometimes keeps you from dying of infection.



I'm voting NO to TA 1.0, and looking forward to TA 2.0.


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I'm sure a lot of jetblue pilots find the socioeconomic situation of an island in the Mediterranean very relevant in their yes-or-no decision.

Everything is connected. One grain of sand in Egypt affects things here in the USA. Right now the economy is strong and is getting stronger now that economic inequalities are being fixed. This means that we're in a record place of negotiation leverage after the slump caused by leftism influencing American politics. If the country goes back to the left, balance sheets will suffer and the economy will hide its money again and we will lose economic leverage. What happened in Cyprus is just one example of what could happen in a few years (in fact, business journals were speculating about it happening in the USA at the time!), leaving us with only a shadow of the bargaining leverage that we have now. It's a fact that airlines are making record profits, alongside record numbers of people traveling. If we don't capitalize now to get a good contract, we'll be stuck with an inferior contract for a looonnngggg time. TA 2.0



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Top secret, huh? Let me guess, only Fox “News” found out about this secret provision that managed to circumvent the Constitution. Gotcha.

That is hilarious. You might want to look at the GDP of those countries compared to the U. S. Then you might look into an Economics 101 course.

No... Fox News is part of the establishment. They stood to benefit from it. It came out in Wikileaks and also civil liberties lawyer organizations fought it. It allows corporations to have even more power to effectively censor free speech to an even greater extent than how Google, Facebook, Twitter, CNN, MSNBC, and even Fox put out fake news now. Perhaps you never heard of "shadow banning"?

• https://www.eff.org/issues/tpp

And by the way, Obama and his friends in the UN *did* try to circumvent the U.S. Constitution.

• https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...s-of-american/

Fortunately the President can't just do whatever he wants; checks and balances stopped it, but the left will keep trying to dismantle the Constitution article by article with rationalizations.




I've taken economics 101. It didn't help anyone predict the current state of the economy, particularly for those with the letters P H D after their name. You can't always simplify complex scenarios into simple academic equations.



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Is that why good approval rating keeps rising?