.....in other news, I canmot wait for July 27th to come, so we can be a united pilot group again.....

United and contractually behind our peers. 😜

.......#metoo

Bozo blocks people because he is so opinionated and he can't get a grip when people oppose him.



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Right now, there's many service sector jobs that are not designed or meant to support a family. In fact, few jobs can even if there's modestly paying jobs. The equation behind this is quite complex:

• Generation-ization of defeatism. entire cultures now exist in the USA (not limited to the skin color argument) where self-education, hard work, and morality are no longer cultural values. The result: even if you want to break out of that culture, everyone else in it will work overtime to drag you down.
• Safety net. Why do you pre-suppose that I support a social safety net? To me, safety-nets ARE the problem. Without the incentive to survival, people don't help themselves. Safety nets steal from you to subsidize others, largely without accountability and always through force. I prefer a system of charity where I can *choose* whom I support via a temporary support system, provided they prove themselves to me, not some low-performance government servant.
• Start ups. Again, if people lose *all* their money, they were being irresponsible. Why don't they diversify and get enough life support funding instead of just being reckless? There are plenty of investors who are willing to fund startups provided they aren't selling igloos to Eskimos. I have some knowledge of this firsthand so I can tell you that there are many people who take unacceptable risks fully knowing it... they are counting on a quick dollar. Nothing in life is free. Get rich quick schemes are usually frauds. Hard work is the only reliable way to support yourself. Note: often the founders of startups are the hard workers, but they have been ill-served by the educational system that doesn't teach them much.
• Educational system. It's designed to make you subservient to authority, not to be independent. After school, the system is designed to make you dependent in every aspect of your life -- socialism. That's why you have leftists, Bernie-sandonistas, social justice warriors, ANTIFA, Democrats, communists, and so on... they all breed a culture of victimization and self-entitlement. None of them do anything to better society, they merely leech from it. Look at how useless college is now, with the exception of STEM degrees. A degree in feminism or SJW will not get you a job or give you the knowledge and attitude you need to find a problem to solve then start a business.
• Health care. Again you presume you are entitled to someone else's work. That is slavery. A doctor is not obligated to treat you unless you pay them for their work. Likewise, I'm not obligated to be indentured to subsidize someone else's life. They need to learn to be self-sufficient. Make healthy choices --- don't smoke, don't drink (BJ pilots), don't have chemical dependencies, exercise, don't engage in risky behaviors (BJ pilots who have affairs in SDQ), don't hang around people who will bring your health down (e.g. dopers, crackheads, connoisseurs of mary jane).
  • Also, we need to re-engineer healthcare. Right now it's artificially shaped by the collusion of social safety nets, corporations, and government. Let the free market dictate things. You know, there was a time when medical costs were as low as your co-pays. A lot of people don't know that. Do you know why your pharmaceuticals are so high? Because you are subsidizing pills for people in other countries. Look it up sometime.
• I could go on but suffice it to say that many problems in this country are self-made through culture, values, and lack of unintelligent political influence. We love socialism but we don't acknowledge the cost of it. If we continue to subscribe to belief systems that breed victim-hood, defeatism, social justice, and self-entitlement, there can never be progress.

In many ways it's just like the self-made, self-fulfilling prophecy of the BJ pilot. We always complain about wanting better conditions/pay yet we shoot ourselves in the face every single time with bad decisions:

• Company takes away pay, profit sharing, medical.... a PEA gets put in place. Pilots don't bother to educate themselves on contracts and so they buy off on a smoke & mirrors PEA that ends in Arbitration (a bad word!).
• BJ shafts pilots in pay. The "grievance" process takes months and months.
• Administrative law judge says we win, but we really don't because we got nothing, or practically nothing. BJ wins.
• Reason for failure: the pilot group took the first available option which was nothing more than engineered controlled opposition, just like TA 1.0 (cost-neutral, behind peers, extremely poor legal language, full of loopholes put in by BJ, many unknowns all dictated by pairing construction which we don't control).
• So like all these unemployed people compared to the BJ pilot group, who is to blame? BJ, Trump, or *ourselves*?

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BD, I almost forgot to mention a personal hero of mine... Mike Rowe.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Rowe


Please look at some of his network news interviews. He's a working class hero, particularly in his TV shows that teach us about personal responsibility, hard work, humility, and what the American worker can do for an honorable living. Contrast what you see there to many of the socialism ills of our society.



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Can't tell if this is a play on words or just plain sarcasm. Either way, well played.

I might read the rest when I have a few hours to kill...

Lots of ideological stuff, but practically speaking misses the previous conversation.

For instance, you say they should not lose all their money on a start-up and should have lots of cash saved up before going out on their own... Ok, but we were talking about how most available jobs are very low wage jobs. So, how is someone supposed to get a job that supports their life AND allows for significant savings to be amassed to have a good individual safety net prior to starting their own company? And I might have missed it, but what is the average success rate of a new business again?

Healthcare, you can make your ideological argument about slavery all you want, but for most it's an expensive necessity and now you are saying the solution to our over abundance of low paying jobs (and proportional scarcity of good paying jobs) for the masses is to get an available low paying job, and while supporting your current life needs, amass a very large safety net of money to support your new company through the lean years (assuming it doesn't fail, which statistically, it probably will) while showing your rugged individualism by funding your family healthcare. All from an existing available low wage job.

Yep, that should work for the masses, can't see any way for that plan to go wrong.

No argument, he's an impressive man.

At the rate things are going, we're on track to resemble the American pilot group.

I think it will pass 70/30.

Well it’s funny because if those guys would have just shut up and agreed to something in the early days of the merger with A west and Us Air. Their contract would resemble that of Delta’s right now. Instead they fought and fought and gave millions to Parker. Same thing here if this thing falls through. While I think this TA should have never been sent to the pilot group with the amount of slack and loopholes that it gives to the company, at this point in the game, voting it down would be dumb. Our labor dispute is dead and summer is almost over. Expecting them to come back with substantial gains before next summer would be completely unrealistic.

I hope not...those guys are some strange cats.

Pretty much. It’s so stupid.

After the 27th things will begin to improve within the group notably. Not everyone, but it will get much better over time.

I don’t share your optimistic appraisal of the situation (name that movie)

As I said in an another post this is just another bona fides for some of our loudmouths to cling to. I’m a bus pilot I’m in a rebel base I voted no. You see it on bluepilots. No doubt all airlines have this issue but the company will dork up implantation and they will be there to say SEE I TOLD YOU. Kind of like what you do :)

I don’t know I just don’t see it getting better. I wish the LGB guys would have just voted yes and explained it like the Boston guys did that the timeline sucked but the TA was solid. Now we have a split group among the LEC.

Maybe I’m just feeling pessimistic today. What would help is if this contract does what the union says it will about QOL but those (no)dudes will still be ****ed and continue dealing in hypotheticals.

Or maybe the BOS guys should have voted no and sent the thing back.


I'm not optimistic either. If this thing passes 70-30, the healing will be quicker...if it's 50s to 40s, I think the frustration and divide goes on a lot longer....

I wish that they had. In the best negotiating environment in years, we shouldn’t be taking concessions.

It's pretty clear that there will be a few generations that will be misplaced. That is the inevitable consequence of the leftist-ideology that has plagued this country since the 1950s and 1960s. Like the flu, things will have to get worse before they get better. It will take generations for cultures to evolve past needing to be dependent on centralized government. We have to re-engineer schools so they are useful and relevant again. We need to redo government so that it's more accountable to local control (smaller federal government). We need to stop with handouts and other social welfare systems because it only gives us San Francisco with poop & needles and the miles long Skid Row of L.A... and Detroit the warzone... oh and NYC... which is all of the aforementioned. People need to learn to think on their own rather than letting political party controlled media networks do the thinking for them. We even need a monetary system like Bitcoin with a Blockchain like system that prevents governments and private companies (e.g. the Federal Reserve) from creating inflation from printing money out of thin air. That's the only real way to fix things. People will suffer. But, that's the price of people's complacency from their 1st world lives. Sadly I don't think we're going to get a system overnight that is just and fair. Incidentally, I agree with Trump's trade war because it's leveling the playing field for these people who have failed businesses. It's not fair that we pay an extra 30-40% to sell in other countries while they enjoy no or little tariffs selling in the USA. Likewise, I agree with him that we shouldn't be subsidizing Europe's defense while they get rich being in bed with Russia in trade for an oil pipeline. Make them pay their fair share for NATO so that money can come back here.



But, no one is *entitled* to health care. It's not a right. It's a service and you can't force it from anyone. Sadly life isn't fair. I work in animal rescue and I get to see the worst that humanity inflicts on the truly innocent. I wish it weren't so. But, I don't exist in order to make up for the injustices of the universe. If people have low wage jobs, they can change it. Go back 100-200 years and even people now without healthcare still get it a million times better than even the wealthy had back then. That's human progress from the capitalistic system of economy we have coupled with the freedom loving Constitutional republic we have. It allows that one guy who had the special magic to discover, invent, and market something that makes the world a better place. It isn't perfect but it certainly is the best system ever devised in the history of human existence. No where in there did I ever agree to subsidize someone else's subsistence by force of law.



About getting savings to start a company... it doesn't take much to start a company. This is something I know A LOT about since I own a few. You can literally go from off the street to being a millionaire. It just depends on whether you have the business sense to find a niche to fill. It depends on your individual discipline, desire, creativity, brains, and motivation. I have a personal acquaintance who went from jail to be a millionaire by starting a wrecker company. He couldn't get high powered jobs like you and me, and he didn't have the education, so he worked construction jobs as a laborer. He saved pennies enough to buy a wrecker and got his construction friends to work for him. He now owns about 20 wreckers and makes millions every year. Similarly, I used to date a really hot girl who never went to college, grew up as a Mennonite. She worked with a smart guy who set up a website to sell things and she grew the business from a small, obscure online store into a really big one. She too is a multi-millionaire now. Obviously not everyone succeeds, but it's no one's fault but their own if they don't. They're not victims... no one is out there ensuring the vast majority of people can't succeed. Most people fail because of their own defeatist attitudes (e.g. like BJ pilots who accept a bad contract because they don't know any better).



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It's also a great opportunity to finally breed a culture of professionalism in the BJ pilot group. We could eliminate the Regional Mentality. Change is not always bad.



The only real risk is posed from a bad contract - like what American has.



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I'm sorry, but what are you talking about? Do you honestly think that the TA is worse than what we currently have? That's what "concessions" means.

Perhaps you should read the reference to the Dependability Policy (via the Commuter Policy) and the part about Positive Contact. They are worse than before.


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Ah...this never gets old...

If only guys had stopped picking up RSA and doing VDA and running to the companies aid at every turn...

For me personally, in my situation... yes.

Same.........

In your hopeless Google quest for supporting data you don't even seem to understand the difference between quarterly and annual data. Sorry, but I don't think I or anyone can help you.

That is hilarious. California is home to 40M residents and if it were a nation it would be the 6th largest economy on earth. NYC is the financial capital of the world.

Your ridiculous rugged individual chest-puffing isn't fooling anyone, not even yourself which is probably the underlying intent. Good luck with that.

But you ask the impossible. We need more men (to vote no).

Freud wants his slip back...

😁

Yeah, the 27 guys on BP won't get over it, the rest will mostly move on I think.

And the MCO guys and 2 JFK guys and a FLL guy.

Well the company would dork that up as well. I wonder if it’s coverd under insurance?

Stupid autocorrect or stupid writer :)


Let’s hope so but like f16 said it needs to be a big win.

You can't look at only one thing, ignoring the rest, and say it's concessionary. If all things remained equal, and your pay remained flat, I would agree. But instead you get scope, dramatically improved work rules, etc. Yes, you're losing PTO sellback. But that's not the only thing in the CBA. On the whole it's a big improvement, which is why it's going to pass by 65-70%.

Ive spent the last two weeks reading the damn thing looking for some hidden gem. If my pay is going down by 10,000 dollars a year, what do you think its worth? Theres no work rule that will convince me that its worth that. The bus guys get a much bigger raise to make up for it but I do not. I will end up commuting again next year back on the bus if this thing passes. For the last two years I have spent mostly on reserve enjoying life and my kids know who I am. Now we are even losing EPS pay on reserve and thats sure to cost me too.

And don't tell me the vacation rules are worth it. Do we need more vacation allotment at times of the year when it pays to take vacation? Absolutely! Do we need scope? Absofreakinglutely. But I survived our crappy first year pay (the one thing in this contract that I do believe that they got 100 percent right) and I am finally in a position where I can really make some dough... and now I get to go backwards!

Oh, and we have taken 3-4 mini vacations each year for the last two years.

Yep. Them too.


I've always said if the MEC wrapped up the PEA in the form of a TA that 35-40% of this pilot group would have still voted for it. I had always hoped that we had 2 layers to protect us from ourselves--that the NC would never bring us a substandard AIP and if they did, the MEC would never let it get to the pilot group.


Fail. Fail.

For you, it's an improvement. I lose money and days off with this TA. It's concessionary. Period, dot.


I'm glad there were many fixes, particularly with some of the pairing constructions and daily credit which helps the junior guys more. I never expected a pay raise out of this, mainly because of the PTOSB. I was fine with that. What I didn't expect was to take a substantial pay cut and have to work 2-3 more days a month.


Add on top of that vacation alllotment, no UTS, PS cliff, bottom of peer pay rates, COLA, should I go on? This is a bottom of the barrel TA which will keep us trailing our peers for the next 5-7 years. And when we got to mediation next time, the mediator is going to say, "Hey, you guys accepted bottom last time, guess where I expect you to accept this time?" Precedence will have been set.


My only hope to finish my career at a real airline with a pilot group that fights for its worth is to hope like hell we merge.

OMG! If I hear that crap from one more guy.... “but it’s an improvement to what we have now”..... well no sh!t! It is suppose to be an improvement, doesn’t mean you have to vote yes just because it is better than the crap PEA and FSM we worked under for so long.

This is the most pathetic pilot group I have ever worked with!

I sell back PTO, so for be it's flat in terms of pay. But for the same pay I can now call in sick, and get a vacation. The work rules have improved elsewhere also. Plus, we have scope now. So it's a net improvement, and enough of one to justify my yes vote.

The PTO sellback people are in the minority (myself included). If I want to monetize my vacation, I can do so by flying over it.

It isn't pathetic to think differently than you do. You can vote no. That's your right, and I don't think you are pathetic for doing so. Try giving your fellow pilots the same respect.

Reference please.