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Old 07-03-2018 | 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Cmdrls
My safe space is in the back of a jb airplane with gloves on! Where did you go to law school?

It doesn't matter where I did or didn't go to law school. If I admitted to having a law degree, then I would be using the authority figure argument, which I don't like. In other words, it would be someone saying "you are wrong and I am right and you can't contest what I say is truth because I'm a PhD, BA, BS, MA, {insert contraction of choice} etc....". So I won't. If someone uses the authority argument, then they are not answering the question. ALPA's response is a non-answer.



Instead, read the RLA. Compare it against what people are telling you is the truth, then call them out on it. ALPA "chose" not to address the Dependability Policy and used the authority argument tactic of mentioning the RLA to get you to not oppose their statement. This is classic politics 101.



Also, read the contract word for word. Flowchart it out, diagram it, find lots of contracts from other industries and compare verbiage. I guarantee you that a high school educated person could understand it all. If they use legal language like "Prima facie" just use Wikipedia and translate it to English. Note: TA 1.0 includes no legal language terms, it's a pretty easy read.


You don't have to believe anything I say, you don't have to respect me, you can call me whatever names you want, you can accuse me of whatever you want, you can turn this into a personality ****ing contest.... but nothing changes the fact of what is written in TA 1.0 and the RLA.



The Railway Labor Act Simplified

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Old 07-03-2018 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by somertime32
Sorry guys, my gif post crashed and burned like us during IROPs.

You should resurrect "IROP Pants".





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Old 07-03-2018 | 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Cmdrls
This is flawed logic hilltop. If we don’t provide the experience that our customers have come to expect, they won’t buy tickets on our airline. Fewer tickets purchased equals lower ELT compensation and executive bonuses. This will cause turnover at the top resulting in a subpar ELT team taking over, thus ruining our airline.
Way too late. It's already happened, just look at our ELT...
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Old 07-03-2018 | 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Boeingnotgoing
I did think about BPF, but I thought with how generous this TA is, why should just the pilots benefit, why not give back some to everyone, continue that caring value?
You should definitely bring up your Caring Value concerns, during the Q&A, at your Pilot base roadshow.
Which one will you be attending? Be sure to introduce yourself.
......Oh wait, you're not a B6 pilot, nevermind.
Schmuck.
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Old 07-03-2018 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Cmdrls
This is flawed logic hilltop. If we don’t provide the experience that our customers have come to expect, they won’t buy tickets on our airline. Fewer tickets purchased equals lower ELT compensation and executive bonuses. This will cause turnover at the top resulting in a subpar ELT team taking over, thus ruining our airline.
I love you. #nohomo
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Old 07-03-2018 | 08:23 PM
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This thread is hilarious
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Old 07-03-2018 | 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
I love you. #nohomo
Love you too bro
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Old 07-04-2018 | 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by flyboygt
3 years, LGB 320 FO.
NOT looking fwd to my SODIUM Box every leg.
Watch Moxy take your LGB flying while we use those planes elsewhere in the system.

So long as we grow by 1 pilot/year.

Gup
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Old 07-04-2018 | 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by GuppyPuppy
Watch Moxy take your LGB flying while we use those planes elsewhere in the system.

So long as we grow by 1 pilot/year.

Gup
Why would JB give up LGB flying and the revenue? If it was a loser (as it may be) they'll cut it, if it's winning we have the infrastructure there to capture the lion's share of that revenue. The company isn't going to keep a base around to keep a small group of pilots happy. No company would.
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Old 07-04-2018 | 06:05 AM
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Upper management has shown me that LGB is a money loser (6-7 years ago was the last time I saw those numbers). I think that if it is still a loser, that the Moxy scenario is plausible.

I believe that the company has been hoping for (and at times banking on) the LGB barriers to be lessened so that we could grow there. Maybe they've finally had enough of the LGB B'S.

This contract would give the company the green light to dismantle the LGB domicile. Moxy comes in and there's our feed that we can't profitably operate ourselves.

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