Originally Posted by flyboygt

I think you just opened a can of worms there!

Originally Posted by Mattio

Gotta love the first time posters in support of the TA.... doesn't make me suspicious at all

Originally Posted by hyperboy

You could also go to one of them like I did? There are plenty of them this month.

Originally Posted by Boeingnotgoing

Actually crew meals are in the TA. Mint meals for augmented. Eat up cafe or boxes for 3.5 hrs or more. My question is do I want to pick my cafe item first or let the customers order and finish whats left?

Originally Posted by Boeingnotgoing

Glad to see I'm not the only one that cares about NPS. Surprisingly I started talking about leaving feedback on my PAs, saying we really want to know how to improve, and its improved my NPS. Would have loved to see a bonus for NPS in the TA too.

Originally Posted by queue

What are they doing for people who live on the West Coast who don't want to take 2-3 days of their time off to listen to only the "pro" arguments?


Also, don't you live there in NYC HyperBoy? There's a reason you can volunteer for staff positions.


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Originally Posted by say again

Not if people feed into it. It's easier just to ignore a troll.

Originally Posted by flyboygt

First off I'm not someone that posts much on forums. I read a lot and educate myself and make the best business decision between the company and I. (I is inclusive of my family). I'm not emotional about it. It's business. I will have no heartache if it fails nor will I rejoice if it passes. Simply a business deal.
I have a wholly owned regional background where the parent company played the scope game to their fullest advantage. I also went through 3 contract negations as well as a bankruptcy negotiation. I'm rather desensitized to this process.

I'm a B6, non blue glove wearing, do my job only, not a company plant pilot.

I am a yes vote.

Reasons:
1. Scope: NO ONE but B6 can do our flying (except code share; every major has code share.)
2. Work rules. Industry leading. Next day trigger at 1 am, 5hr ALV (NO MORE 10HR 3 DAY TRIPS), 14 hour max duty day. Done no extensions period.
3. Reserve rules. (I will upgrade ((in 2020)) because of this alone)
4. Insurance. Not great but 2nd best in industry behind Alaska (where you can't use tobacco products, I like cigars!) Just to clarify, insurance OOP MAX is 2nd best behind AK.
5. Pairing/line construction
6. Retirement (no match 15% going to 16% plus contribution overage accounts.)
100% pay cash out of PTO date of retirement(510hr max)
7. 4 year contract
8. Night override and international pay.
9. C91 flying cut in half.
Things I don't like;
Same as everyone. COLA. Profit sharing 5% Cliff, Implementation time. No 321 override.
These are not deal breakers. These are simply negotiable terms in 2022.

This contract meets or exceeds all of the survey data including mine. It is"MARKETRATE" as it was advertised. Not industry leading even though it is industry leading in the language. The fact that we are the 4th/5th highest paid (based on hourly rate only behind DL, AA, UAL AK) says that we are hanging with the big boys now. We are in fact the 5th largest airline behind AK/VA.
We have 18 years under our belt and 3.5 as aN ALPA shop. Delta just celebrated 65 Years as a union shop.

If it gets sent back because we are chasing Delta rates or compensation we will NEVER get a contact. Nor will you be able to make it up for what you are asking for. Someone will always have something better than what you have, and you will always have something better than they do.
Language is everything to me. I think the pay is fair for the current market, I would like better COLA but I'm not going to trip over a dollar to pick up a dime. Just simple math on the COLA btw for a 12 year Captain the extra 1% COLA with an average 1000 credit hours per year equates to 18k over the life of the contract, while your signing bonus is 21k.
Like I said not a deal breaker it will be made up elsewhere.
I humbly believe that the company will not give us more with it taking something away. They budgeted the amount willing to pay and that won't change. We may get COLA in exchange for something that was a benefit.
Spirit got a massive bonus to"catch them up" to current status. We aren't that far behind so we don't need a 34k bonus to get to "market rate." Yet again this is not an industry leading contact.

Remember we asked for market rate not industry leading. Your words were heard and fulfilled. Now you some are ready to burn the place to the ground.

Be careful what you wish for. Better to have a contact than wish you had a contact.

Originally Posted by expectholding

Well to start, they’re going to the west coast next week. Second, I attended yesterday. Wasn’t all pro, they own the shortcomings and speak to it. You might try getting educated.