Originally Posted by say again

As is Boeingnotgoing. Most likely one in the same

Originally Posted by flyboygt

First off I'm not someone that posts much on forums. I read a lot and educate myself and make the best business decision between the company and I. (I is inclusive of my family). I'm not emotional about it. It's business. I will have no heartache if it fails nor will I rejoice if it passes. Simply a business deal.
I have a wholly owned regional background where the parent company played the scope game to their fullest advantage. I also went through 3 contract negations as well as a bankruptcy negotiation. I'm rather desensitized to this process.

I'm a B6, non blue glove wearing, do my job only, not a company plant pilot.

I am a yes vote.

Reasons:
1. Scope: NO ONE but B6 can do our flying (except code share; every major has code share.)
2. Work rules. Industry leading. Next day trigger at 1 am, 5hr ALV (NO MORE 10HR 3 DAY TRIPS), 14 hour max duty day. Done no extensions period.
3. Reserve rules. (I will upgrade ((in 2020)) because of this alone)
4. Insurance. Not great but 2nd best in industry behind Alaska (where you can't use tobacco products, I like cigars!) Just to clarify, insurance OOP MAX is 2nd best behind AK.
5. Pairing/line construction
6. Retirement (no match 15% going to 16% plus contribution overage accounts.)
100% pay cash out of PTO date of retirement(510hr max)
7. 4 year contract
8. Night override and international pay.
9. C91 flying cut in half.
Things I don't like;
Same as everyone. COLA. Profit sharing 5% Cliff, Implementation time. No 321 override.
These are not deal breakers. These are simply negotiable terms in 2022.

This contract meets or exceeds all of the survey data including mine. It is"MARKETRATE" as it was advertised. Not industry leading even though it is industry leading in the language. The fact that we are the 4th/5th highest paid (based on hourly rate only behind DL, AA, UAL AK) says that we are hanging with the big boys now. We are in fact the 5th largest airline behind AK/VA.
We have 18 years under our belt and 3.5 as aN ALPA shop. Delta just celebrated 65 Years as a union shop.

If it gets sent back because we are chasing Delta rates or compensation we will NEVER get a contact. Nor will you be able to make it up for what you are asking for. Someone will always have something better than what you have, and you will always have something better than they do.
Language is everything to me. I think the pay is fair for the current market, I would like better COLA but I'm not going to trip over a dollar to pick up a dime. Just simple math on the COLA btw for a 12 year Captain the extra 1% COLA with an average 1000 credit hours per year equates to 18k over the life of the contract, while your signing bonus is 21k.
Like I said not a deal breaker it will be made up elsewhere.
I humbly believe that the company will not give us more with it taking something away. They budgeted the amount willing to pay and that won't change. We may get COLA in exchange for something that was a benefit.
Spirit got a massive bonus to"catch them up" to current status. We aren't that far behind so we don't need a 34k bonus to get to "market rate." Yet again this is not an industry leading contact.

Remember we asked for market rate not industry leading. Your words were heard and fulfilled. Now you some are ready to burn the place to the ground.

Be careful what you wish for. Better to have a contact than wish you had a contact.

Originally Posted by BunkerF16

Curious. How many years on property and what aircraft are you on?

Originally Posted by BunkerF16

Yep. Diversions from the topics at hand. Time to add to the ignore list.

Originally Posted by hilltopflyer

The elt doesn’t care about me. Why should I care about their bonus.

Originally Posted by Boeingnotgoing

I must be reading a different TA then you? $50 million just for a vote, 20% pay raise, more days off, better 401k, more seed money, reduced duty limits, more PTO, more vacations... should I go on?

I would have been happy with just 1 of the above, jetblue can keep the rest.

Originally Posted by Boeingnotgoing

More real than the idea we’d get a penny more signing bonus from the company. I’d rather donate mine to JCCF or some kind of medical fund for crewmembers that get hit with big bills.

Originally Posted by Cavity

You 'blue' your cover, no mention of BPF, obviously not a pilot. You're a joke. Thanks for playing!

Originally Posted by Cavity

You 'blue' your cover, no mention of BPF, obviously not a pilot. You're a joke. Thanks for playing!

Originally Posted by Boeingnotgoing

I did think about BPF, but I thought with how generous this TA is, why should just the pilots benefit, why not give back some to everyone, continue that caring value?