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Old 07-18-2018 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
Are you sensitive to this phrase for a reason?

Did you vote against a union 3 times (as 25% of our group did)?

Voting yes knowing you will be under cutting our peers?

Sorry it's a sore spot for you.
I think there’s a pretty good chance I’m misunderstanding what you’re saying here….

But I’m reading your post to say that people who didn’t vote to Unionize and people that vote yes for this TA are basically the “S” word???
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Old 07-18-2018 | 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Gordie H
I think there’s a pretty good chance I’m misunderstanding what you’re saying here….

But I’m reading your post to say that people who didn’t vote to Unionize and people that vote yes for this TA are basically the “S” word???
You’re not misunderstanding.
Yup if you’re in favor of the TA you have crossed a picket line and are now working struck work.

Passeogas has lost all credibility.
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Old 07-18-2018 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
You’re not misunderstanding.
Yup if you’re in favor of the TA you have crossed a picket line and are now working struck work.

Passeogas has lost all credibility.
Again, you choose to miss quote me because you cannot figure out a way to argue facts.

Most likely it is because you know how bad the TA is but choose to ignore it for some small improvements you will see.

If you look into the mirror and see someone who knowingly lowered the bar that is your problem not mine.
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Old 07-18-2018 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Gordie H
I think there’s a pretty good chance I’m misunderstanding what you’re saying here….

But I’m reading your post to say that people who didn’t vote to Unionize and people that vote yes for this TA are basically the “S” word???
Not at all what I said. Except the no to unionize. By definition, if you do non union work in a union field you are a scab. Not a wanna be, an actual scab. At least according to the dictionary.

For me it's all about intent. If you intend on working to raise the bar, we are good. Even if you vote yes to this turd. If you are happy with scraps, and don't feel dirty lowering the bar you fit the intent of the word scab in my book.

I have clarified multiple times, but the "yes at any cost" folks put words into my mouth because they have failed to refute my arguments with logic and reason.
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Old 07-18-2018 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
Again, you choose to miss quote me because you cannot figure out a way to argue facts.

Most likely it is because you know how bad the TA is but choose to ignore it for some small improvements you will see.

If you look into the mirror and see someone who knowingly lowered the bar that is your problem not mine.
We are not lowering the bar. And you are wrong.
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Old 07-18-2018 | 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
We are not lowering the bar. And you are wrong.
We objectively are.


Facts please. Still waiting.
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Old 07-18-2018 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas

We are bottom feeders by definition since we will be voting yes to bottom of the barrel compensation on DAY 1.

As a Frontier pilot, I question what I am, if your TA is bottom feeder? I suppose i am the pond scum....?
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Old 07-18-2018 | 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
As a Frontier pilot, I question what I am, if your TA is bottom feeder? I suppose i am the pond scum....?
Well, at least you guys are fighting for more and doing everything you can to be released. Here we are talking about voting yes to the bottom of our peer set after ONE info picket.
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Old 07-18-2018 | 05:21 PM
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As a fellow ALPA member I have a question.

What parts of the contract are industry leading? What parts are average? What parts are below average? Make a list and look at it. If you have more items that are average and below average than you have to vote NO.

Remember that if you vote in a standard or below standard contract then in 1-2 years you will be back down at the bottom again when others open section 6.

I honestly want the best for you guys/gals and want you to hold out for a contract that is mostly industry leading.
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Old 07-19-2018 | 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot
So- the YES voter is acting in "greed"? Using that logic, you are admitting that it is a greatly beneficial T/A. I thought this was a "terrible T/A"?
Isnt the greedy action to vote NO and hold out for more Pog?
3%/Profit Sharing/Cheaper Health Care/more PTO/ Bonus?
Or did you mean instant gratification? Greed is good.

I do think its wonderful that you care so much for your peers and the industry, in general though.

If you're going to be greedy (which all humans are -- Let him who have no sin cast the first stone), at least be good at it. You can only maximize your greed potential if you vote down TA 1 and bargain for an improved TA 2. All Capitalism is based on greed. People like Bozo can virtue signal all they want but the truth is that even he won't work for Joanna for free. For the rest of us, we simply want pay commensurate a professional - this contract is not even catching up to SWA.

Yes Bozo, I know you are blocking me and I know you love it. I enjoy it too.




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