Junglejet4life

Long time lurker on these forums, but I finally feel that I need to make my opinion known in regards to the TA. I have spent the last few days reading the TA, reviewing the FAQ’s and watching the videos on B6alpa, and have come to the conclusion that I must vote NO on this TA. Here are my reasons:

1. Health insurance. A marginal increase in seed money with essentially the same crappy plan options. Are we still going to cover add-a-dick-tomies?

2. Payrates. The 190 rates are wholly inadequate especially considering the fact that the company may order E-195 e-2’s. Doesn’t that bad boy seat around 130 pax? The bus rates need to match the big 3...it is the same plane they fly right? Why should we fly it for less?

3. Profit sharing...if you can even call it that. If my kids shared like bj shares, they would be sent to stand in the corner until I got tired. If we are lucky enough to earn a ps check next year, it might be enough to replace the tires on my 15 year old truck. Meanwhile, DAL pilots are buying airplanes with their ps check.

4. From the looks of it, the company can use augmented crews to fly transcon turns. F that!

5. 18 months for the agreement to be in full force. I understand that there are technology issues, but 18 months? Can’t Boeing snd Airbus build an airplane in about 4 months? I’m sure our team of IT pros errr...interns might need some help. Anyone on this forum know anything about programming? Or maybe having stayed in a Holiday Inn Express lately will suffice.

PasserOGas

I think you just named our next 321.

Combatcraig

Long time lurker? join date? Nice 1st post lol.

queue

So Captains can now take an FO's seat at the company's discretion?? Pp. 88. Doesn't this subvert seniority?


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queue

We already knew that implementation delays were part of their delay tactics. 18 months is enough to do a complete system from scratch. Companies like SAP can do these kinds of projects very quickly because they are all similiar, only with different rules. There are a variety of management techniques used in the industry to deliver results in 1-2 months including design, programming, and testing. Look up Agile development and spirals. I wouldn't accept more than 3 months. It's not like they haven't had 3+ yrs to develop software that uses rules rather than hard coded logic. For example, look at how PBS works. Rather than designing hard rules, they designed a system that lets you program it by defining rules. This gives you extreme flexibility. This is what they ought to do. Otherwise, they may be paying for one part time software engineer to spend no more than 5 hrs a week on modifications. Timeline is a function of payment to developers. 18 months is B.S.

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Flytolive

Oops. Can't blame a guy for trying.

Bozo the pilot

Is bluepilots not workin out for ya?

So your order of importance goes
1. Health care (understood)
2. Payrates?! (Do you actually put this #2?) thats JV
3. Profit Sharing- meh, but it does show how little B6 cares about us.
4. Transcon turns- Is that what they'll do? Have you spoken to a REP?
5. Implementation. (I understand the frustration)

So "Jetblue Express" seems to worry few of the NO voters.
How about M/A?
Scheduling/RSV/Parings etc...?
Retirement?

Bluedriver

Yeah! Why do those other high paying airlines even bother with those higher pay rates! Totally JV!

capt707

I'm a "No" voter for MY own reasons, but I am also not going to get into a pi$$ing match online or flying the line with someone who chooses to vote yes. Everyone gets a vote and needs to make their own decision.

To address some of the point you made. I agree with the health insurance, that was one of my top issues. It was one of the major reason this place unionized. The gains in this TA are an absolute joke, especially since a high number of pilots don't even use JB insurance! I was expecting something much better!

As far as the pay rates go, specifically the E190. You can thank AA for their crap rates, that's how pattern bargaining goes, which lead us to only a small rate increase. The rest I agree with you on the E195/CSeries/A321 stuff.

I had some major issues with the implementation timeline as well. After all, JetBlue has NEVER met a deadline in it's existence. After talking to a NC member, I started to feel a "little" better. From what I was told 95% of this TA will be implemented at DOS. Apparently the issue lies with software issues and Sabre and implementing all the changes, which takes time, and I get that. The NC apparently was able to tie mgmt's hands in certain sections of the TA that would benefit the company, but not until XYZ is implemented, which the NC believes will help speed up the process and the implementation.

All I can say is, read the TA and all the materials, attend roadshows and read the FAQs and make a decision.

BeatNavy

Point of order: no, AA is not responsible for our low E190 rates. WE were the launch customer and set essentially a B scale rate. Everyone else had JetBlue to thank when they patterned 190 rates off of us. Throw in the fact that no one else has them, except US Air then AA with 20, and less than 2% of their pilot group flies it and can bid off of it almost immediately. Oh and it’s getting parked soon. Bottom line, no other airline has any reason to use negotiating capital on that plane’s rates. We are the reason the rates are so low. And we just set the bar way low for the E195-E2, a newer, bigger plane.