Tell me about it,

You want to talk about swiss cheese model, this thing barely has 1 layer you could drive an A380 (pay rates?) through!

Healthcare is a never ending prostate exam, now with a little extra lubrication. More seed money? Great... better go get snipped cause I cant afford kids.

320 rates are still a few % points behind not to mention others getting raises in less than 6 months! AND 2% COLA!

As soon as we sign this thing a 150 seat 300 will show up the next day, happy jetting!

C-series common type should have a pay more COMMON!!!!

14 duty vs 12 duty, makes me need to go duty.

Once they distribute vacation they’ll cancel all of it for operational necessity, thanks for playing though.

No EML deadhead! Now I want EML with middle seat blocked!

I’ve spent more time writing this post then they did on dependability! Patern barganing? How bout Delta’s 10 day no questions +1?

16% 401k like yesterday and the 5% cliff? Makes me want to jump off a cliff! (Safely into water of course cause it’s not cool to joke about it).

Isn’t there a required rule to vote NO if less than 300 pages....

And still VDA, RSA, and now PREMIUM!!! I’ll never upgrade with everyone STEALING my work!!!!

I digress...

 

You must be a detective. You don’t need to join to read the forums juicer

 

Obviously, this is not a complete list of my complaints with the TA.

Yes payrates suck. In the next year or so how many airlines will begin negotiations? We will be behind their rates FOREVER if we don’t jump DAL, UAL and AAL NOW!!! ON THIS CONTRACT. Maybe you are ok with being a discount pilot, the rest of us are not.

2% cola only puts us further behind. We need 6-7% just to keep pace with how high Trump is going to drive inflation with his stupid policies. Anyone miss Obama yet?

JV language doesn’t scare me, but then again I did not go to the queue school of law so maybe I am completely missing the point.

We all better watch rainmaker, I’m sure the $1 per hour retirement medical will actually come out of our pay through payroll “mistakes”. Is there a provision that allows the union to audit payroll? I think not.

 

I just realized you're grinding an axe against Trump as well.
Angry at the TA and Trump- "Double threat guy"
Good luck with all of this JJG.

 

Ah yes.. Bozo's thought framework of false choices.


It doesn't occur to Bozo that many of these items are requirements that are non-negotiable. Since we're at the bottom of the barrel, at a critical juncture in the affairs of future negotiations, many things become requirements rather than priorities.



A priority is something we can give up if we get something else. And thus comes Bozos (and BJ's) strategy of making us accept *some* rules for Pay, or vice-versa.



Folks, this is a corrupt way of thinking. We need Pay & Rules.



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Honest question for all the"no" voters, what are you willing to sacrifice in the current version to get your wants fulfilled?

Remember this is a negotiation not a demand letter. COLA, PS, etc all come at a cost.

As far as Implementation time, I'm just as upset about it but let's take into account that Southwest and Delta voted their TA down and took them 12 and 17 months to renegotiate their TA 2.0. if we take the average of the 2 at 14.5 months and company agrees to 3 month Implementation we arrive at 17.5 months from now at $hitty pay rates falling well behind our peers, no work rule protections, etc. Yes I agree that some items needed to be fixed but the implementation argument can't be fixed at this point. We as a pilot group WILL eat this 18 months one way or another.

 

Close / ammend all TA 1.0 loopholes. Get rid of all vague language. Disallow non-pilot (FAR) mandated duties. Do not replace contract language with outsourcing to "company policies".



Close every single paragraph with an ELSE clause.. e.g.

• "if Even More Space window or isle seat is available, pilot shall have the non-retributory option of declining the pairing at his choice of UTO/PTO or accepting a 150% pay override for the duration of the deadhead segment".
• Commuting: "pilots shall only be required to provide 2 flight opportunities (OAL) or 1 opportunity (on BJ) which arrives at the base prior to report time. END OF STORY. Company shall not question pilot's choice of flights nor require any additional burdon of the pilot. If the company wishes, it may provide positive space commuting and overnight accomodations (hotel) for the pilot to commute in a day early. However, this shall not be attached to any need to accept the arrangement. The offer shall be completely voluntary of the pilot and cannot be coupled with any consequential action (e.g. UTO/PTO)."

Pay: the minimum needs to be >= SWA at every year and position, with an automatic snap up clause. We should negotiate to achieve at least the average of DL, SWA, United, AA per hour, with an automatic snap up clause to the average, should any of these airlines change their pay.


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Nothing. However, I am willing to go without pay for a while if we ever get released to strike.

 

You can't say that as a statement of fact.


1) you can't tell the future,
2) there is nothing legally preventing all options from being on the table. We can demand whatever we want, they can counteroffer with whatever they want. What we get is a function of how painful it is for them. If they don't meet our requirements, we do more informational picketing and our duty as airmen until they start deciding otherwise.


You have to admit that it's also possible that the *perceived* unlikely may happen: e.g. we all vote NO, we raise our demands, they give in because they want something strategic (e.g. CS100), and we get a bigger/better TA 2.0. You must admit that is also a possibility and no one can say one is more likely than another one with facts. Everything is an assumption or pure speculation, no matter how much you look at historic negotiations.



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Even better... future MEC Chairman!!!



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