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Old 07-08-2018 | 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Efficiency isn't staffing. I was just asking you why you thought ADG was a staffing driver in case I was missing something.
I explained that above. Some of those trips may be absorbed not all of them.
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Old 07-08-2018 | 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
This was a joke... sarcasm at best.
Did you write it? If not, we'll know (maybe) in about a week....
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Old 07-08-2018 | 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
I explained that above. Some of those trips may be absorbed not all of them.
And I explained that since it's credit and not an increase in actual block, they need only raise the ALV to zero out any staffing increase due to ADG.
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Old 07-08-2018 | 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
And I explained that since it's credit and not an increase in actual block, they need only raise the ALV to zero out any staffing increase due to ADG.
So you’re saying that we will be able to eliminate the need for rig all together?

Won’t happen. The ADG will require jb to hire more bodies.
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Old 07-08-2018 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
So you’re saying that we will be able to eliminate the need for rig all together?

Won’t happen. The ADG will require jb to hire more bodies.
No, not saying that. They will eliminate most of the 10 hour 3-days, easily, by smashing them into 4-5 day trips.

The remaining 10 hour 3 days will pay 15 and raise the average credit value. Since it does NOT raise actual block, it does not require more bodies to fly since it does not push any 117 times. The company will raise the ALV for bidding purposes since the average CREDIT per trip will be higher. Again, since ADG does not increase block times, no 117 issues and the TA let's the company set any ALV they want, as long as it's "smoothed".
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Old 07-08-2018 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
No, not saying that. They will eliminate most of the 10 hour 3-days, easily, by smashing them into 4-5 day trips.

The remaining 10 hour 3 days will pay 15 and raise the average credit value. Since it does NOT raise actual block, it does not require more bodies to fly since it does not push any 117 times. The company will raise the ALV for bidding purposes since the average CREDIT per trip will be higher. Again, since ADG does not increase block times, no 117 issues and the TA let's the company set any ALV they want, as long as it's "smoothed".
There are some legitimate gripes with this thing but I wish some of you guys would at least read the language before coming on here and making statements like you know what you're talking about. From the TA:

25.I. Bidding Parameters

1. Average Line Value (ALV)
The ALV is the number of credit hours established by the Company that is the projected average of all Lineholder PBS awards, for a Status (e.g., A320/321 Captain, E190 F/O), for a Bid Period. The ALV shall be between seventy-four (74:00) and eighty-six (86:00) hours (inclusive) and may be expressed in hours and minutes.

2. Targeted Line Value (TLV)
The TLV is a twelve (12) Bid Period rolling average of the ALV for a Status. The TLV shall be between seventy-seven (77:00) and eighty-four and one half (84:30) hours (inclusive).
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Old 07-08-2018 | 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by BluesClues
There are some legitimate gripes with this thing but I wish some of you guys would at least read the language before coming on here and making statements like you know what you're talking about. From the TA:

25.I. Bidding Parameters

1. Average Line Value (ALV)
The ALV is the number of credit hours established by the Company that is the projected average of all Lineholder PBS awards, for a Status (e.g., A320/321 Captain, E190 F/O), for a Bid Period. The ALV shall be between seventy-four (74:00) and eighty-six (86:00) hours (inclusive) and may be expressed in hours and minutes.

2. Targeted Line Value (TLV)
The TLV is a twelve (12) Bid Period rolling average of the ALV for a Status. The TLV shall be between seventy-seven (77:00) and eighty-four and one half (84:30) hours (inclusive).
What fun would that be.
Also they can’t turn everything into a 4 or 5 day as we have language that allows for only a certain %
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Old 07-08-2018 | 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by BluesClues
There are some legitimate gripes with this thing but I wish some of you guys would at least read the language before coming on here and making statements like you know what you're talking about. From the TA:

25.I. Bidding Parameters

1. Average Line Value (ALV)
The ALV is the number of credit hours established by the Company that is the projected average of all Lineholder PBS awards, for a Status (e.g., A320/321 Captain, E190 F/O), for a Bid Period. The ALV shall be between seventy-four (74:00) and eighty-six (86:00) hours (inclusive) and may be expressed in hours and minutes.

2. Targeted Line Value (TLV)
The TLV is a twelve (12) Bid Period rolling average of the ALV for a Status. The TLV shall be between seventy-seven (77:00) and eighty-four and one half (84:30) hours (inclusive).
Good, I couldn't remember if there was a max, and apparently neither did cool.
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Old 07-08-2018 | 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
What fun would that be.
Also they can’t turn everything into a 4 or 5 day as we have language that allows for only a certain %
I didn't say every 3 day, I said the 10 hour 3-days. There have always been, and still will be plenty of regular 3 days.
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Old 07-08-2018 | 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
I didn't say every 3 day, I said the 10 hour 3-days. There have always been, and still will be plenty of regular 3 days.
And I didn’t say anything about 3 days specifically I said “everything”
Aren’t language games fun.
My real point is that the scheduling section did a pretty good job of attempting to prevent the company from getting away with a bunch of stuff. Just live vacations will be evenly distributed through every week of the month.
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