Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot

So- the YES voter is acting in "greed"? Using that logic, you are admitting that it is a greatly beneficial T/A. I thought this was a "terrible T/A"?
Isnt the greedy action to vote NO and hold out for more Pog?
3%/Profit Sharing/Cheaper Health Care/more PTO/ Bonus?
Or did you mean instant gratification? Greed is good.

I do think its wonderful that you care so much for your peers and the industry, in general though.

Originally Posted by PasserOGas

This TA is a small improvement from where we are now. I never said otherwise. If you want to call it short term gratification, sure.

However, it is far, far, far below market rate. It raises the bar in pretty much zero areas. Our peers will have a tough time negotiating against it and it thus drags down the industry.

The only good news is that the big 4 pilots have a spine, so while we may hold their raises in check I doubt their pay will be cut. Also, unlike some of us they probably won't be fooled by 2 "shiny penny" sections.

Originally Posted by PasserOGas

No, a lot of yes voters I have flown with have literally no idea what they are voting on. They watched the videos, which minimize or don't even mention all the really bad sections of the TA. When I point out all the things B6ALPA is trying to sneak through I usually get a look of shock and a "******* that I am voting NO!"

Then there is the guy worried that we are leaving money behind by voting no. He is usually convinced that B6ALPA gave up all our leverage and now we are defeated. He would fight, but believes this group would just crumble and accept less. I don't completely disagree with him. We have a lot of wanna be scabs here.

If you are happy voting yes, KNOWING this contract is sub par, bringing down all of our peers at the bargaining table because of some small gains from where we sit now, yes you are a wanna be scab. You are doing the same work as a scab would be doing, undermining the piloting profession out of greed.

Originally Posted by PasserOGas

No, a lot of yes voters I have flown with have literally no idea what they are voting on. They watched the videos, which minimize or don't even mention all the really bad sections of the TA. When I point out all the things B6ALPA is trying to sneak through I usually get a look of shock and a "******* that I am voting NO!"

Then there is the guy worried that we are leaving money behind by voting no. He is usually convinced that B6ALPA gave up all our leverage and now we are defeated. He would fight, but believes this group would just crumble and accept less. I don't completely disagree with him. We have a lot of wanna be scabs here.

If you are happy voting yes, KNOWING this contract is sub par, bringing down all of our peers at the bargaining table because of some small gains from where we sit now, yes you are a wanna be scab. You are doing the same work as a scab would be doing, undermining the piloting profession out of greed.

Originally Posted by nuball5

Since you wanna blur the lines and use the term scab so carelessly Gas Passer....what does that make you? Jetblue for 18 years has trailed its peers in compensation and benefits. Is someone that's been on the Jetblue seniority list a scab? Since you wanna use that term loosely, I guess that you could argue that employment at Jetblue, means you support substandard wages right? Of course not! Unless we're talking about crossing an actual picket line during a Strike, I'd recommend finding a new term to use.

Originally Posted by PasserOGas

I only agreed to come here AFTER ALPA came in. I thought maybe the pilots here had learned their lesson and wanted to make this place into a real airline.

Again, not everyone at jetblue is a wanna be scab, but we have got quite a few. Sorry if the truth hurts.

Originally Posted by nuball5

Alright....to me a scab is someone that has already crossed a picket line, but you're entitled to your opinion.

Originally Posted by PasserOGas

From Websters dictionary:

a : a contemptible person
b (1) : a worker who refuses to join a labor union (2) : a union member who refuses to strike or returns to work before a strike has ended (3) : a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike (4) : one who works for less than union wages or on nonunion terms

Section 1:All the pilots who voted no to ALPA twice.

Section 4. Debatable since we are union, but working for much less than other union carriers fits the spirit IMO.

Originally Posted by nuball5

Such a stretch....I and others gave you our opinion on it and you did as well. Back to the TA.

Originally Posted by Mattio

I respectfully disagree when it comes to Queue. Some of his posts could give the impression that he's a fanatic but if you read all of his posts, the enthusiasm stems from well thought out positions and his more colorful posts are, at least in part, a reaction to the barrage from fanatics on the "other side". We could start a chorus of "he started it!". You see a lot of emotions on both sides lately. (I know we are all, well most, actually on the same side.) He, like me, wants some key changes before voting yes but I don't think he wants Delta +1. I guess we'll see what he says.