This TA smells like a Bowel MoveMINT
07-07-2018, 04:43 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by Softpayman
Still hold new aircraft hostage? Say what?
In the TA B6 can do whatever it wants with its fleet and the rates will be decided by an arbitrator, the way you seem to think the entire negotiation process works now, except we really, actually will have no say.
It's high level math I know.
07-07-2018, 04:49 PM
#32
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
Where are the C series pay rates in our PEA? If Jetblue wants anything but A320/E190 they don't have pays scales for them. Hence we hold them hostage.
In the TA B6 can do whatever it wants with its fleet and the rates will be decided by an arbitrator, the way you seem to think the entire negotiation process works now, except we really, actually will have no say.
It's high level math I know.
In the TA B6 can do whatever it wants with its fleet and the rates will be decided by an arbitrator, the way you seem to think the entire negotiation process works now, except we really, actually will have no say.
It's high level math I know.
Is there a procedure for adding on a fleet type in the PEA?
My understanding is that management could impose whatever pay they want, when they wanted for a new fleet type under the PEA.
At least there is a procedure for adding a new fleet type in the TA.
07-07-2018, 05:40 PM
#33
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Originally Posted by seekingblue
Asking an honest question-
Is there a procedure for adding on a fleet type in the PEA?
My understanding is that management could impose whatever pay they want, when they wanted for a new fleet type under the PEA.
At least there is a procedure for adding a new fleet type in the TA.
Is there a procedure for adding on a fleet type in the PEA?
My understanding is that management could impose whatever pay they want, when they wanted for a new fleet type under the PEA.
At least there is a procedure for adding a new fleet type in the TA.
07-07-2018, 05:46 PM
#34
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
Wouldn't an LOA be required, just as it is for any other change to status quo while in section 6 negotiations? Similar to that 8% raise we had to vote on.
07-08-2018, 06:57 AM
#36
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
Or they could park the 190s and sign a CPA with Moxy and we can all individually grieve it through the court system.
That’ll be great!
Got scope?
That’ll be great!
Got scope?
07-08-2018, 07:51 AM
#37
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
Or we could vote this in and GUARANTEE ourselves bottom feeding status for the rest of our negotiating cycles, or until we are bought by an airline with pilots who are willing to fight.
What are you willing to give up for 1% cola and $5/hr?
Scope?
ADG?
Vacation distribution?
Bid divisor smoothing?
Those last three are huge staffing drivers BTW.
We know for sure implementation will not be sped up.
How do you propose we get industry leading in every section in our first TA?
Nearly every RSA is covered. Guys SET in the snow in BOS. THE VDA blue hero squad runs around saving the bluthesphere at every turn.
What’s your perfect TA POG?
For me 11yr pay 2% COLA to 3% is $161/month.
Imo. Never gonna get back what’s lost in time.
07-08-2018, 08:17 AM
#38
The REAL Bluedriver
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
I love how we’re bottom feeders because we don’t have the BIGGEST hourly rate...
What are you willing to give up for 1% cola and $5/hr?
Scope?
ADG?
Vacation distribution?
Bid divisor smoothing?
Those last three are huge staffing drivers BTW.
We know for sure implementation will not be sped up.
How do you propose we get industry leading in every section in our first TA?
Nearly every RSA is covered. Guys SET in the snow in BOS. THE VDA blue hero squad runs around saving the bluthesphere at every turn.
What’s your perfect TA POG?
For me 11yr pay 2% COLA to 3% is $161/month.
Imo. Never gonna get back what’s lost in time.
What are you willing to give up for 1% cola and $5/hr?
Scope?
ADG?
Vacation distribution?
Bid divisor smoothing?
Those last three are huge staffing drivers BTW.
We know for sure implementation will not be sped up.
How do you propose we get industry leading in every section in our first TA?
Nearly every RSA is covered. Guys SET in the snow in BOS. THE VDA blue hero squad runs around saving the bluthesphere at every turn.
What’s your perfect TA POG?
For me 11yr pay 2% COLA to 3% is $161/month.
Imo. Never gonna get back what’s lost in time.
It appears that whatever bit of seniority bump due to staffing for this contract is gonna be offset by slowing aircraft deliveries for the next few years.
Yay.
For the love of all things HOLY, I didn't say vote NO.
07-08-2018, 08:38 AM
#39
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
How does ADG drive staffing? I think it just drives a little bit of credit.
It appears that whatever bit of seniority bump due to staffing for this contract is gonna be offset by slowing aircraft deliveries for the next few years.
Yay.
For the love of all things HOLY, I didn't say vote NO.
It appears that whatever bit of seniority bump due to staffing for this contract is gonna be offset by slowing aircraft deliveries for the next few years.
Yay.
For the love of all things HOLY, I didn't say vote NO.
There has been no mention of slowing deliveries.
And that wasn’t a response to you anyhow. I’m not advocating yes. Just pointing out what I believe is false.
07-08-2018, 08:40 AM
#40
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
ADG drives staffing because it drives credit. How many trips will go from 10-15 hours? 15hours gets you to the bid divisor faster than 10 leaving more trips in the bucket requiring more pilots to fly the same amount of required trips.
And to the extent that the average credit (not block) goes up, they will raise the average line value to zero out additional staffing as long as actual block isn't increasing. I don't recall a maximum ALV in the TA?
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