JetBlue Selects Airbus A220-300
08-07-2018, 12:56 PM
#271
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Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
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Originally Posted by Beechnut
Bluedriver, the point is that THIS Jetblue didn’t want that. The guys running it in 4 years may very well want it.
As far as business model supporting it, sure it could.
America West had regional feed.
ATA had regional feed.
Frontier had regional feed.
Midwest Express had regional feed.
Alaska has regional feed.
We are not too small to have RJs and turbo props take our flying.
Back to lurking and looking forward to moving on from this tired discussion....
As far as business model supporting it, sure it could.
America West had regional feed.
ATA had regional feed.
Frontier had regional feed.
Midwest Express had regional feed.
Alaska has regional feed.
We are not too small to have RJs and turbo props take our flying.
Back to lurking and looking forward to moving on from this tired discussion....
08-07-2018, 01:04 PM
#272
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Joined APC: Feb 2013
Position: CA
Posts: 1,211
Originally Posted by Beechnut
Bluedriver, the point is that THIS Jetblue didn’t want that. The guys running it in 4 years may very well want it.
As far as business model supporting it, sure it could.
As far as business model supporting it, sure it could.
Look at United. They bailed out of JFK a few years back. New team running the show now saying it was the wrong decision, they're looking at getting back in.
For all we know the current team is gone in a year and the new leadership has a much different take on regional feed.
08-07-2018, 01:06 PM
#273
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,881
Originally Posted by Beechnut
Bluedriver, the point is that THIS Jetblue didn’t want that. The guys running it in 4 years may very well want it.
As far as business model supporting it, sure it could.
America West had regional feed.
ATA had regional feed.
Frontier had regional feed.
Midwest Express had regional feed.
Alaska has regional feed.
We are not too small to have RJs and turbo props take our flying.
Back to lurking and looking forward to moving on from this tired discussion....
As far as business model supporting it, sure it could.
America West had regional feed.
ATA had regional feed.
Frontier had regional feed.
Midwest Express had regional feed.
Alaska has regional feed.
We are not too small to have RJs and turbo props take our flying.
Back to lurking and looking forward to moving on from this tired discussion....
Never said I didn't want scope either. I said RJs weren't a near term threat.
JB agreed to no RJs early in the process, because they don't want them and don't make business sense for us. They weren't holding out RJs until the end and then caved to get a deal, they gave us RJ scope nearly at the beginning.
08-07-2018, 01:11 PM
#274
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Never said we were to small, there are other factors.
Never said I didn't want scope either. I said RJs weren't a near term threat.
JB
Never said I didn't want scope either. I said RJs weren't a near term threat.
JB
The idea of a contract is to think about what could happen.
08-07-2018, 01:26 PM
#275
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
The point was simply to point out what we would NEVER DO... right up until they decided to do it. I don't think this was a threat in the near term. But it's only a CEO or BOD change away.
Yes, we could still get that email. Infact, when we get that email, there's nothing to stop it. An M&A event is a certainty at some point.
Yes, we could still get that email. Infact, when we get that email, there's nothing to stop it. An M&A event is a certainty at some point.
But who will it be?
The Alk guys seem to think they are in the same spot but in their APC forum are talking about United buying us.
Could this be a reason why we can’t make up our mind about Europe or maybe our ELT is just dumb.
08-07-2018, 01:27 PM
#276
The REAL Bluedriver
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Position: Airbus Capt
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
He understands that. No offense bluedriver. He totally understands it but for his argument he must ignore that part. So in a way you are both right
08-07-2018, 01:32 PM
#277
The REAL Bluedriver
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
Near term threat, I don’t like that style of thinking. This is what everyone is saying is it a near term threat no. But with the way the company is going if RH does not have some kind of plan he won’t be here much longer. God only knows what Giggity will come up with. There was a time we did our own catering(never had a problem) than we outsourced it than we outsourced again to an even cheaper company and we saw what happened.
The idea of a contract is to think about what could happen.
The idea of a contract is to think about what could happen.
Or the company outsourcing our E190s during contract negotiations? You think our already fragile operations would survive the "nuclear option" from the company?
08-07-2018, 04:16 PM
#278
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
It's more than just leadership. We specialize in highly congested airspace with heavy slot or gate restrictions. As it is, we are ALWAYS 12 months behind in our gate space needs. Which mainline flights are we going to pull down to make gate or slot space for an RJ?
Or the company outsourcing our E190s during contract negotiations? You think our already fragile operations would survive the "nuclear option" from the company?
Or the company outsourcing our E190s during contract negotiations? You think our already fragile operations would survive the "nuclear option" from the company?
08-08-2018, 11:22 PM
#279
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Posts: 12
General question - In so far as what you see now, can you hazard a guess where upgrade times are going, based on the airplane orders, and assumed retirements - e.g. E190 leaves for each A220 arriving.
The agreement will impact staffing levels, and I'm not familiar enough to have any idea of its effects.
I know it's a moving ball, just trying to get a ballpark
Thanks
The agreement will impact staffing levels, and I'm not familiar enough to have any idea of its effects.
I know it's a moving ball, just trying to get a ballpark
Thanks
08-09-2018, 03:03 AM
#280
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Posts: 1,473
Originally Posted by 654G
General question - In so far as what you see now, can you hazard a guess where upgrade times are going, based on the airplane orders, and assumed retirements - e.g. E190 leaves for each A220 arriving.
The agreement will impact staffing levels, and I'm not familiar enough to have any idea of its effects.
I know it's a moving ball, just trying to get a ballpark
Thanks
The agreement will impact staffing levels, and I'm not familiar enough to have any idea of its effects.
I know it's a moving ball, just trying to get a ballpark
Thanks
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