Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand

Your math is wrong.

CA 12yr
JB248.42/DAL253=.981
2%

FO 12yr
JB166.64/DAL176= .963
3.7%

don't get emotionally strung to highest or lowest.
This doesn't bring down the industry... Not even close.

We got within 2% of the top tier pay rates on our first contract? my god we must suck.

good riddance 190.

Originally Posted by capn a220

Q: If JetBlue purchases the C-series jets, especially the 300 series, what's to prevent the company from subsidizing the majority of the A320 flying with the 300 C-series aircraft to get away with paying the lower pay rate?
A: The CS-300 pay rate in the TA is approximately 4% lower than the A320, however the configuration of the CS300 has 17% fewer seats (135 vs.162 with comparable seat pitch). With pilot costs amounting to only about 10% of operating costs and most—if not all—airlines only increasing seats, it wouldn't make sense to reduce seats in today's environment for only a 4% pilot-cost savings. The subsequent reduction in RASM by reducing the number of seats reduces the profitability of the fleet (overhead and maintenance related expenses become even more costly). Additionally, immediate fleet replacement would not occur by virtue of airplane delivery practices and availability. Because of these problems, it is highly unlikely this scenario would occur, or that it could occur before the amendable date of this agreement.

Vote this TA down and require the A220 pay to match industry standard. Add verbiage stating that if the A220 is configured to seat 150 pax, then the A220 will pay equal to the A320.

Does anyone actually trust the company to only park the E190s?

Originally Posted by Xtreme87

Well considering they have to disclose to shareholders what they are going to do with the E190, and they did just that...yes. They will park them. Why the hell would they run 3 fleet types of similar seating capacity?

Originally Posted by capn a220

Please reread "Does anyone actually trust the company to only park the E190s?" Sure, they'll start with parking the E190s. Does anyone actually trust that they will stop with the E190s?

Originally Posted by captsurf

1-for-1 replacement with the Boeing-190.

A220-300 has a 160 seat capacity. Figure 140 with our seat pitch. So we just grew our airline by 2400 seats without bringing a single additional pilot to the seniority list.


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Originally Posted by capn a220

Thanks Mattio. How is demanding industry average pay demanding too much? If we have the lowest pay by 2% or 20% - we will be front runners in the race to the bottom. The percentage simply indicates how commanding a lead we will have. To those who are ok with this, have you no shame?

Originally Posted by Mattio

Nice 2nd post. Strong start.

Originally Posted by antbar01

This is true, but if they had announced a complete fleet replacement with 777s nobody would sweat the seat increase if the money was right. It's just smart business.



Whether or not you like the CS rate is another question.

Originally Posted by captsurf

1-for-1 replacement with the Boeing-190.

A220-300 has a 160 seat capacity. Figure 140 with our seat pitch. So we just grew our airline by 2400 seats without bringing a single additional pilot to the seniority list.

*slow clap*

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