hyperboy

Believe it or not we are all on the same seniority list so we can go where ever we want to if we can hold it? Even the 320.

hyperboy

The growth and aircraft order will come via Frontier.

Softpayman

Are we adding any A321NEOs in 2019 & 2020? If so do they constitute growth?

David Puddy

Agreed about it not being an E190 replacement. The CS100 possibly. The CS300 is a biggish airplane - although it seats less than an A320 (partly due to the 2X3 searing), it is actually longer than a regular A320 - this is not an extended regional jet like the E190. Here’s a good look at the CS300 next to an A321:

https://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/1069711/hb-iod-swiss-airbus-a321/

The CS300/A220-300 ain’t a small airplane. From an efficiency standpoint, a non-NEO A320 can’t compare to the low CASM on the CS300/A220-300. It will be a very profitable platform for JB.

Bozo the pilot

Do you need to list a different email for an alternate account here?
Good to see you with your new name capn.

captsurf

Don’t disagree with you at all. I just know there’s a lot of cities between NY and LAX that we do not current serve that hopefully the A220/CS300 will allow us to serve in the future. The 190 “replacements” will be the test. Hopefully we exercise our 60 additional options and actually go to some new cities


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200Driver

Here’s the problem with that logic...unlike SWA with the Max we have NO agreement to go back to. We vote down, company says no problemo here’s your C-Series rates (copy paste current 190 rates) and we will meet once a quarter with the mediator to address the concerns of the pilot group. We can’t meet anymore now that our plate is full with getting ready for the new aircraft.

We vote this down we go back to crap...when DAL and SWA voted theirs down they went back to top of the industry CBA’s....

expectholding

The fallacy that they'll be crawling to us and fixing this over lunch is unfounded, and I would challenge you to reference an instance where this has ever happened.

Look at the big picture here. SWA doesn't override the 737-800, 900. United is flying the 321, the 737-700, -800, and -900, and the 757-200 all at the same rate as the 320. American flies the 737-800 and 321 at the same rate as the 320, and American has 200+ 321s (almost a 5:1 ratio 321:320 ref. APC). Alaska flies all versions of the 737 and the 321 at the same rate as the 320. Spirit has a blended rate which is near bottom of the industry.

Do I want more. He!! yes! But I'm sorry, your claim is not supported by the market, so fixing it over lunch doesn't happen. If you want to vote no because you dont like it, then ok. But don't live in fantasy land and understand what is realistically achievable, and that opening up bargaining over issues that are likely unachievable allows the company to attack us on scope, rigs, retirement, etc., all while not having a CBA and living under the Direct Relationship for an indeterminable amount of time.

Bozo the pilot

This fact is not registering with the T/A haters.
Most know that this TA could be better, but comparing it to DAL and SWA is naive at best.

PasserOGas

We don't have language for these payscales now. Where in the PEA are they allowed to impose new payates while in negotiations? Honest question.