Xtreme87

Ok. Gojet. Mesa. Republic. Compass. Anyone else?

RiddleEagle18

We will be deep into negotiations on our second contract before we even have 20 of these planes.

This order really has no bearing on this contract cycle....


However we are still the highest paid 190 pilots in the world and don’t have to worry about flying the 195 at highly reduced rates.


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GuppyPuppy

If they were just planning on having the replacement aircraft do exactly what the 190 was doing, they would have gone with the E195 E2. Less acquisition cost. Pilots, flight attendants, ramp, and maintenance would have required little training.

Getting these planes is a much more expensive endeavor than getting E2s.

This plane will be replacing some A320s for sure.

Yay🙄

BeatNavy

Any regional that flies for delta can’t operate a plane bigger than DALs scope allows, even for another carrier. So for example SkyWest can’t fly their 100 E175-E2s they have on order for Alaska (no scope) or us, because of DLs scope. No idea about UA/AA’s scope allowing it, so non DCI carriers may be able to. Not sure. But for the sake of this argument it doesn’t really matter, as current gen e175s could be flown by a regional for us. On the other hand, regionals are getting more expensive as pilot costs climb, the shortage will get worse before it gets better, and most of our focus cities are slot or gate restricted, so downgaging doesn’t really make sense in this environment. I like scope. And I like the -300 with jetblue colors. But I’m not that fearful of SkyWest taking our flying if this TA is voted down. Fear not though...it’ll pass by a pretty big margin imo.

PilotJ3

Problem is that if the B6 contract passes in 2019

JB CA$253.38/DAL$269.15=.941
5.9%

JB FO$169.98/DAL$183.84=.925
7.5%

These are 2019 rates. Also take in consideration that DAL goes into contract negotiations next year.

To me it seems that B6 management is using the lower payscale of the A220 to save money.

flyboygt

Silver airways? Cape air? Not associated with Delta. They are already our "business partners" what's to stop BJ from contacting them to fly the 220?

Example: Current day Envoy Air. Wholly owned subsidiary of American Airlines. It used to be American Eagle which used to be Simmons, Executive, BizEx, Wings West, Metro, and Flagship. All individual contractors (BJ calls then business partners)for AMR. One day AMR decided to buy them all up and call it American Eagle Airlines (1998) Then AMR bought Embraer 145 series jets, and offered them to AA pilots because those pesky Eagle guys only knew how to fly props. The AA pilots said, and I'm paraphrasing, "we are too good to fly that 50 seat RJ".
What was AMR to do? They have all these planes ordered and no one to fly them... Oh wait they did. It's called American Eagle/Envoy. Thus they now operate the E175, CRJ700 and EMB145 for American. At one point when I worked At Eagle we had 3700 pilots (yup the size of present day BJ) flying American Airlines routes at a massive discount because AA pilots did not want to fly an RJ.

SCOPE is not limited to present day regional operators. Under our stellar PEA, BJ CAN do whatever they want to make THEIR money. Point being is that the order is in and they WILL find someone to fly those airplanes.

Don't make the mistake AA did.
Scope is worth more than your precious pay rates compared to Delta, United and AA who don't have a single *******ing ORDER in for the A220.

Keep all flying in house.

sailingfun

Doesn’t your fleet plan have more growth than any of the majors?

sailingfun

American never offered the 145 to the AA pilots. Pure fiction.

Bluedriver

Seems that you skipped over a lot of good points that Navy made...

1. Regional airlines are becoming much more expensive to operate because of much higher pilot salaries due to shortage of pilots, which will only get worse. It's a stretch to even suggest they can staff all the RJs currently under contract.

2. Our slots are maxed out.

3. Our other hubs are heavily gate restricted, and getting worse.

4. If you thought JB was having operational problems before this TA, there would be a literal nuclear detonation if JB tried to outsource the A220 to a regional during negotiations for TA2. Even our management wouldn't be that stupid.

5. Delta has 75 A220s and 50 options on order, so your last statement is incorrect.

6. This scope doesn't keep all flying in-house either. It has virtually unlimited domestic and international codesharing. You have us confused with Southwest.

hyperboy

Yes you are so much better and smarter than us....the pilot group. Forget about the surveys and what you pilots want as a majority. It's your call. You also have a crystal ball?... because you know everything.

We got real lucky when you got hired here, huh?!. To think you could have went anywhere and you came here?......our fault too?