JetBlue Selects Airbus A220-300
07-11-2018, 09:24 PM
#131
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Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,132
Originally Posted by flyboygt
Probably the signing bonus?
Absolutely the signing bonus, it's compensation read your contact. ALPA takes their cut out of EVERY penny you earn.. welcome to ALPA, time to get over it.
Absolutely the signing bonus, it's compensation read your contact. ALPA takes their cut out of EVERY penny you earn.. welcome to ALPA, time to get over it.
In any case, the Total Cost of Ownership must include all factors. So our substandard TA pay rates don't adequately cover ALPA costs.
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
07-11-2018, 09:43 PM
#132
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Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: A320 right
Posts: 79
Originally Posted by queue
We are ALPA. If we want to change things we can. These aren't the laws of physics we're changing, it's merely bylaws and policy.
In any case, the Total Cost of Ownership must include all factors. So our substandard TA pay rates don't adequately cover ALPA costs.
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
In any case, the Total Cost of Ownership must include all factors. So our substandard TA pay rates don't adequately cover ALPA costs.
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
07-11-2018, 09:56 PM
#133
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Posts: 1,132
Originally Posted by flyboygt
Not trying to bust your bubble, ALPA Will NEVER CHANGE. THEY WILL ALWAYS GET THEIRS. Your bylaws are set.
And Trump will never get elected, says all the establishment and leftist media. The sound barrier will never be broken either.
ALPA should only get the money it needs to operate, provided they give more than barely incremental results. Remember, ALPA is only ONE court case away from losing their forced payer membership model. Wouldn't you want a higher performing organization that sells itself?
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
07-11-2018, 10:00 PM
#134
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Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: A320 right
Posts: 79
Originally Posted by sailingfun
It did not happen. In fact have you ever heard of a airline management offering aircraft to a union? They purchase what they want. They could never have operated the aircraft at the mainline and competed with the regionals at that point. Cost per seat mile would have been off the chart.
The planes weren't offered to a union they were purchased by AMR, first rights were to AA for bad pay, AA said nope we are better than that. AMR said well it sucks that you don't have scope we will have American Eagle do it.
I was gracefully informed by many AA pilots during my tenure that if Eagle didn't exist that all of their furloughed pilot buddies would still have jobs.
Yes it happened. Quit lying to yourself that this management wouldn't do the same to you.
07-11-2018, 10:03 PM
#135
Covfefe
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,001
Originally Posted by flyboygt
Where is your proof that it didn't happen? Because you say it didn't! Ha I laugh
The planes weren't offered to a union they were purchased by AMR, first rights were to AA for bad pay, AA said nope we are better than that. AMR said well it sucks that you don't have scope we will have American Eagle do it.
I was gracefully informed by many AA pilots during my tenure that if Eagle didn't exist that all of their furloughed pilot buddies would still have jobs.
Yes it happened. Quit lying to yourself that this management wouldn't do the same to you.
The planes weren't offered to a union they were purchased by AMR, first rights were to AA for bad pay, AA said nope we are better than that. AMR said well it sucks that you don't have scope we will have American Eagle do it.
I was gracefully informed by many AA pilots during my tenure that if Eagle didn't exist that all of their furloughed pilot buddies would still have jobs.
Yes it happened. Quit lying to yourself that this management wouldn't do the same to you.
07-11-2018, 10:03 PM
#136
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Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: A320 right
Posts: 79
Originally Posted by queue
And Trump will never get elected, says all the establishment and leftist media. The sound barrier will never be broken either.
ALPA should only get the money it needs to operate, provided they give more than barely incremental results. Remember, ALPA is only ONE court case away from losing their forced payer membership model. Wouldn't you want a higher performing organization that sells itself?
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
ALPA should only get the money it needs to operate, provided they give more than barely incremental results. Remember, ALPA is only ONE court case away from losing their forced payer membership model. Wouldn't you want a higher performing organization that sells itself?
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
07-11-2018, 10:04 PM
#137
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Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: A320 right
Posts: 79
Originally Posted by BeatNavy
He’s a delta guy. I doubt he gives a sht what JB mgmt does to us.
I wish! I wouldn't be having this argument, would have a much better commute, a better QOL. And career advancement.
That's a standard comment from someone who has nothing to say.
07-11-2018, 10:19 PM
#138
Covfefe
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,001
Originally Posted by flyboygt
I'm a Delta guy?
I wish! I wouldn't be having this argument, would have a much better commute, a better QOL. And career advancement.
That's a standard comment from someone who has nothing to say.
I wish! I wouldn't be having this argument, would have a much better commute, a better QOL. And career advancement.
That's a standard comment from someone who has nothing to say.
Sailingfun is a delta guy and doesn’t care what JB mgmt does to JB pilots.
07-11-2018, 10:36 PM
#139
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Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: A320 right
Posts: 79
Originally Posted by BeatNavy
You quoted sailingfun and said “Quit lying to yourself that this management wouldn't do the same to you.”
Sailingfun is a delta guy and doesn’t care what JB mgmt does to JB pilots.
Sailingfun is a delta guy and doesn’t care what JB mgmt does to JB pilots.
07-11-2018, 11:38 PM
#140
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Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,132
Originally Posted by flyboygt
I will happily stand side by side with you to dismantle ALPA's model of forced pay to play. Let me know when it goes down. Till then we are stuck in the current establishment and it keeps getting bigger. Every carrier that brings them on means we are farther from stopping their model.
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
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