hyperboy

https://blog.wandr.me/2017/08/musing...blue-frontier/



I know the article is old. It has been quiet. I think this could happen very soon. I'm just sayin'

I am not trying to act like I know what I am talking about.

Thoughts?

Bluedriver

Well, make your case. Why do you think it's happening and what have you seen/heard to make you think it's happening?

I know we made several big-money a while back, but indigo wanted the moon.

It is WELL within the realm of possibility, but I haven't seen or heard anything lately.

Plus, Frontier doesn't even have any hubs in the D.R., so probably not interested.

pilotpayne

I would also like to know

hyperboy

Here are some thoughts....

*The pilot group is ready to burn that place down. They could be "saved"
*We really don't have much overlap and they do some midwest stuff if thats where we would like to dabble.
*They have aircraft on order and could allow is to go a different route....possibly wide?
*They have no regional flying that would be required not to have if we ratify on Friday with our scope.
*They have a west coast presence and may just enough for what JetBlue needs and or wants?
*They are private which they don't have to disclose much.
*Is there any coincidence with our TA and the pressure the pilots at Frontier are starting to put on management to get this done rather than draw it out?

Bluedriver

All good points, and many of those points are why we made several big-money offers.

However, I don't think there is any coincidence about our TA and Frontier pilots actions, but Frontier pilots unrest might push indigo to settle with their pilots or sell.

Have you seen or heard any recent signs that JB is still pursuing Frontier?

Ted Striker

I think prior to the C Series becoming Airbus this had more appeal. Since Airbus deliveries are backed up, and with Frontier holding ample slots. Now Jetblue can shift 320 deliveries to 321 NEO's and LRs. All while taking 60 300's and then mixing in 100's plus more 300's with the extra 60 C Series options. This would replace not only the 190 flying but replace some 320 flying at the same time.

I think it would be bold to stroll into DEN when Southwest and United basically hold a monopoly. We would need to either go head to head with them both or sell the gates. You would gain a few slots here and there that are valuable ... etc DCA, LAX, SFO. Is that worth it ?? Maybe?

We would also be taking on a lot of destinations that work well for ULCC's (2-3 day service only , skirt airports) that I don't think would work well for Jetblue.

But then again what do I know? ..... absolutely nothing.

RiddleEagle18

Look further west...

Alaska/JB will be the eventual tie up. Codeshare first I’m guessing then full tie up when the economy takes its hit.


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pilotpayne

Which I do wonder about. ALK basically sucked up VA and turned it into ALK. I wonder what a ALK/jetblue merger would look like. Would we become ALK drones or would ALK become jetblue. I just don’t see how the smaller airlines don’t merge one day.

It would be a pretty good airline.

CaptCoolHand

Does frontier actually own the delivery slots or does indigo?

Bluedriver

Indigo. But if it was important to us, it would be negotiated into the sale.