Oh no! You said we were slow-growing, now we have to have an argument about what "slow" means.

Good thing you don't consider slow growth "career stagnation", APC nukes go off then...

😁

 

Delta training Pay is current $4700-4800’ish (IIRC) and goes up to $5K starting Jan 2019.

We get paid hotel for the two weeks of Indoc, but we pay out of pocket during the 4 weeks of IQ. iPads issued free. We buy 100% of our uniforms, both initial purchase and replacement items down the road. No per diem except during our IOE trips. Training Pay ends and first year Pay starts day of your IOE check.

 

I asked about this very thing just recently as I have the LOE this Friday. This isn't how that section is interpreted. Its only for transitions and upgrades unfortunately. But, new hires still get 70 hour guarantee after LOE up until completion of OE... then reserve guarantee of 75 hours after that.

10.5 inch iPad Pro's are being handed out now on Friday after orientation. Training is great here. Instructors are very helpful. Honestly, all the people I have met have been great, even the guys coming through for recurrent. I have enjoyed it all immensely, but Im ready to go home.

For those coming in: New hires go into the Lodge for 6 weeks... pay is 28 bucks and change per day. Pay days 8th and 20th of every month. Works out to 700ish a pay after taxes. The first paycheck depends on when you start in the pay period. Health insurance doesn't kick in until a month or so after you're on property. 26 bucks a day in Lodge Dollars for food and stuff. I didn't really spend a dime on anything while here, except for the bar. Shuttle will take you out within a certain range; I did do that several times to get the Blue out of my eyes . Positive space to and from training as well. 6 weeks total...

 

So poverty wages up until completion of your final Sim?

 

yep ......

 

Is anyone hired from here on out on probation for 1 year? No dues during probation?

Gup

 

After August 1... everyone goes on probation. Last few classes have squeaked by without it because of no CBA.

 

So let’s assume a 6 week training footprint at each.

DL: $7500 pay - $2000 (assume $2k in hotels for 4 weeks), - ~$500 for uniforms, ~ food (let’s assume 45 x $26 = $1170, the JB training per diem rate...I know it could be less in actuality, but for apples to apples purposes).

DL take home during 6 weeks of training: $3,830 (minus whatever is deducted).

JB: $2k a month, plus $26/day in food, and hotel included. All uniforms included.

JB take home: $3k (minus whatever is deducted).

Waiting for/during IOE we do a little better.
Waiting for and during IOE I believe DL guys make $167 a day ($5k/30) until IOE complete, then they make guarantee. JB guys make $215 a day (75 x $86/30) waiting for and during IOE. So that’s $48 a day more until completion of IOE. So it’s basically a wash in the end.

Not saying our training pay is good by any means, but it certainly isn’t at the bottom of our peers.

Don’t ask about rates, PS, COLA, retirements, bases, network, and overall operation. Not much comparison.

 

5.J.2 says you can elect to be in a hotel in lieu of the Lodge for training footprints longer than 21 days. That would seem to apply to newhires as well unless it says something different in another section. Thoughts?

 

For all the ill-will towards the lodge, it’s a pretty convenient place to be for new hire training, especially if you can have your car. Blue Juice guzzling aside, I didn’t mind it. That said, I had a vehicle and could escape when necessary.