The lodge is good for recurrent. For new hire training or longer training stays it is a jail.

 

The Lodge LOA from 9/28/17 was worded basically the same as our CBA, except it was 4 weeks, not 21 days, and newhires were not able to swap out of the lodge then, either. I think it comes down to definitions. 5.J.2 begins with “A Pilot...”. Now go to page 24, and look at the definition of “Pilot.” Now page 21 and look at the definition of “first officer.” Now go to 26 and look at the definition of “Status.” I read it as you have to be qualified on an aircraft type for the company to have your “Status” be a “first officer” and/or “pilot.” Until that point, you aren’t considered a first officer, or pilot, for purposes of pay and the Lodge, and therefore 5.J.2 doesn’t apply (nor does training pay under 4.A.3 for the same reason). You would be a new hire, not a pilot, by the definition of this CBA.

The way Pay Cutover 24.W.2 (pg 131) is written is basically the same. LOE is the line which delineates a “Status” change from “new hire” to “first officer.”


Maybe I’m wrong. It’d be nice if I was. But I think it’s the same as it has been since this grievance was settled last year.

 

Who cares ...Delta could pay me nothing...at all...during training. I will just make up for it when I upgrade. My buddy has been there three years. Already a MD80 captain and bought a new Maserati last month.
I’m still driving my pick up...

And you guys are talking uniform allowances ...JetBlue hires the right people.

 

JetBlue “hires the right people” says the guy who just said he didn’t need to get paid in training. Lol
Good luck over at Delta.

 

Did you read my last line? I chimed in because if people are going to advertise the bad/lacking things about this place (and the CBA), they need to be accurately advertising where we lack. Newhire pay isn’t one of the areas that we are behind. Many other items we are, as I’ve stated. Good attempt to twist what I said and make it seem like I care about uniform allowances, though.

 

They know you would do it for free!

 

I've been to several initial training. They all feel like prison. That said, I much prefer the Lodge to a standard hotel. It is very comfortable. The food is good, gets old towards the end. But we did go out several times. It was great getting to know your fellow inmates before and after your sentence. Not to mention the convince of walking to class.



Need to get away. Take the shuttle or an Uber.

 

The lodge is convenient. That’s about all it has going for it. It’s great for recurrent, but not 6 weeks. I’ll give up that convenience for pretty much any of the following:

-Alcohol in my room
-Many different food options
-No cackling FA trainees
-No company cameras in the hotel
-Family allowed in my room
-Family/friends can spend the night
-Stove in my room
-Ability to save money by eating cheap
-Free food/drinks for happy hour
-Not surrounded by JB propaganda

Obviously personal preference, but having the choice to be in the Lodge or a hotel is ideal.

 

Pretty much exactly how I feel. When I go to my next training. I plan on my wife to come down and stay for awhile.

 

Hope he paid cash because he may have just lost that CA seat.....