Bluedriver

So, maybe he's the last guy that should be making fun of others who think our seniority is moving at the pace of a slug shot with and elephant tranquilizer dart?

Our seniority list is moving very slowly, but maybe he's just the type of guy who likes to "fake a smile" and think positive thoughts? Hey, at least we aren't furloughed right?

Bluedriver

Roger that.

pilotpayne

But in real life you are actually a happy guy and get along with most guys you fly with

I think he was just talking perspective. If it’s true that POG is “jr” he can’t really be upset that he can’t hold things his seniority can’t hold or expect it.

Pretty sure Capt Luke got hired a few years before us when we actually did stop hiring. So yeah some guys were actually stuck. You could have held captain a few years ago so a 4 year upgrade when we were hired is hardly much to complain about. It is not the same for POG but you and I will be 50% in the not to distant future system wide. While we have not moved up they have grown behind us as you know. Now we can chat growth rates all day long but I’m pretty sure Captain Luke wasn’t trying to be a jerk.

Bluedriver

Actually, true...

Pointing out the FACT that our seniority list is slow moving has nothing to do with me being happy in general. I could also point out that liquid water makes you wet when you fall into it. Yep, I'm still happy. Snow is cold and white. Yep, I'm still happy.

pilotpayne

No you did that AND attacked Luke.
I see which one you focused on. Again Blue political office is calling your name. Forget this airline stuff.

Also some snow is yellow (after an additional element)and I thought you didn’t get wet because you walk on water, but I’m happy that you are happy great now we can all be happy. How very jetblue of us.

CaptCoolHand

What fake smile man? I don't wear rose colored glasses either.
I knew what JB was when I got here, watched it change and I know what it is now. I'm all for bîtching about stuff, but the constant blame game gets old. I thought this was the place to complain? did that change? what now POG is allowed to whine and I'm not?

We all knew things were going to change with the CBA. For the junior and the senior.

Bluedriver

I like Capt-cool, just not sure why he can't let us have the valid opinion that our seniority list is moving slowly (relative to our peers, at THIS point in history, which is all that matters). When grading on a curve, I'm not sure which of our peers has a worse combination of retirements/growth rate?

So, when grading on a curve, we are very slow-moving seniority wise. But when I say it out loud, Cool has to interject sarcasm or argue what the definition of "is" is.

We've all experienced periods of stagnation and set-back in our careers. Just because it's been "worse" before doesn't invalidate that we're at the bottom now as far as movement, so let us say it!

I've been furloughed, forced captain down-grade due to shrinking domicile, been SCREWED in a seniority list merger, been the BOTTOM captain in base for over year, and just generally been stagnated at different points in the past seniority wise. None of that matters when we are simply saying our seniority is moving slowly, right now, relative to the rest of our peers.

So just let us say it, if we want to, without the sarcasm and reminders of how it "could" be worse.

CaptCoolHand

maybe a little

We're all a product of our seniority and perspective. If you came here with the idea that we were gonna buy 100 planes next year and tripple in size in 3 you'd be a captain in 6months and have a delta 777 schedule... what were you thinking??

I know that's dramatic, but seriously the way some of us carry on here is like there was zero perspective at all coming into this gig. This wasn't a one war fight. it's not a sprint. UAL DAL and AA all have contract issues and they're on contracts 5?10?15? I have no idea. Take you're issues to the union. Get involved and facilitate change. That's all we've been able to do since the JBPA push in 07. win some lose some.

Bluedriver

Maybe our signals are getting crossed or I misunderstood your post. If so, I apologize.

I also knew what JB was when I got hired (in some ways, had to learn the hard way in other ways). But! JB didn't stay the same either! It has continually slowed it's growth rate and deferred aircraft orders from what they sold me at the interview. Ok, boo hoo poor me, shouldn't have believed their words or their ORDER BOOK! But I am going to ***** about it, because, well, I'm a pilot!

They also unilaterally took away the premium pay above 78 hours and the annual pay review (the combination of the two especially) that were policy when I got hired. Those are big deals, so to me the "you knew this place when you got hired" doesn't really work for me.

But, nothing stays the same...

CaptCoolHand

I'm not trying to throw it in anyone's face. We're not retiring hundreds of guys because of who we are. We're a different company in a different stage of life than the legacy carriers. I'm the last one to say if you don't like it leave, but seriously? We aren't growing explosively because we almost grew into bankruptcy 10-11years ago and taking 30 planes a year on an immature route structure nearly killed us.

don't take my sarcasm as a shot. it's more of a friendly rib. This place is like a frat house bar for me man. Come share bîtch moan, poke fun, have simatic arguments with no true right or wrong answers... but we're all here sucking up the suck together.