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03-16-2019 | 06:30 AM
#121
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United and American achieved improvements to their profit sharing more recently, AA wasn't even in negotiations. Both made much more in Profit Sharing than JB pilots despite having lower profit margins.
It's peer standard that career destination airline pilots receive great compensation, benefits, work rules AND profit sharing. It's not a "one or the other" situation.
You're welcome to not care about that component of your compensation and benefits, but I DO care about thousands (possibly tens of thousands of dollars) of dollars.
It's peer standard that career destination airline pilots receive great compensation, benefits, work rules AND profit sharing. It's not a "one or the other" situation.
You're welcome to not care about that component of your compensation and benefits, but I DO care about thousands (possibly tens of thousands of dollars) of dollars.
Now interesting point about AA because as you know the word on BPs is it can’t be fixed so we should just shut up because we voted for it, along with pages of the standard how dumb we are as well as we will never have a good contract. (Some of that is true)
I think they absolutely could fix it with enough company wide pressure. I don’t even think it would be that hard. Every employee at every level was hit with this PSBS and they sure aren’t happy about it. But I guess we have to live with the (there is nothing we can do crowd)
03-16-2019 | 03:12 PM
#123
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I totally agree.
Now interesting point about AA because as you know the word on BPs is it can’t be fixed so we should just shut up because we voted for it, along with pages of the standard how dumb we are as well as we will never have a good contract. (Some of that is true)
I think they absolutely could fix it with enough company wide pressure. I don’t even think it would be that hard. Every employee at every level was hit with this PSBS and they sure aren’t happy about it. But I guess we have to live with the (there is nothing we can do crowd)
Now interesting point about AA because as you know the word on BPs is it can’t be fixed so we should just shut up because we voted for it, along with pages of the standard how dumb we are as well as we will never have a good contract. (Some of that is true)
I think they absolutely could fix it with enough company wide pressure. I don’t even think it would be that hard. Every employee at every level was hit with this PSBS and they sure aren’t happy about it. But I guess we have to live with the (there is nothing we can do crowd)
03-17-2019 | 05:22 PM
#126
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I totally agree.
Now interesting point about AA because as you know the word on BPs is it can’t be fixed so we should just shut up because we voted for it, along with pages of the standard how dumb we are as well as we will never have a good contract. (Some of that is true)
I think they absolutely could fix it with enough company wide pressure. I don’t even think it would be that hard. Every employee at every level was hit with this PSBS and they sure aren’t happy about it. But I guess we have to live with the (there is nothing we can do crowd)
Now interesting point about AA because as you know the word on BPs is it can’t be fixed so we should just shut up because we voted for it, along with pages of the standard how dumb we are as well as we will never have a good contract. (Some of that is true)
I think they absolutely could fix it with enough company wide pressure. I don’t even think it would be that hard. Every employee at every level was hit with this PSBS and they sure aren’t happy about it. But I guess we have to live with the (there is nothing we can do crowd)
But they have paid 17% in the past, and they will again, if we play our cards correctly.
03-17-2019 | 05:36 PM
#127
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74% codified 0.2% PS and the 6th best pay rates (what 8th or 9th when you throw in cargo?) with nothing else really great in the CBA. Based on the JB pilot group history, and not just last year’s performance, I don’t exactly have full faith and confidence that the group will play them correctly next time either, unless there is a big change in the MEC. HR’s targeted selection ensures the house has the advantage when it comes to the pilot group playing their cards...
03-17-2019 | 06:37 PM
#128
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74% codified 0.2% PS and the 6th best pay rates (what 8th or 9th when you throw in cargo?) with nothing else really great in the CBA. Based on the JB pilot group history, and not just last year’s performance, I don’t exactly have full faith and confidence that the group will play them correctly next time either, unless there is a big change in the MEC. HR’s targeted selection ensures the house has the advantage when it comes to the pilot group playing their cards...
Look, our PS sucked pre-contract. It was not fixed during negotiation. Nothing that a LOA or a new contract vote cannot fix. I like JB a lot more post-contract than pre-contract. Maybe that’s just me...
03-17-2019 | 07:10 PM
#129
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74% codified 0.2% PS and the 6th best pay rates (what 8th or 9th when you throw in cargo?) with nothing else really great in the CBA. Based on the JB pilot group history, and not just last year’s performance, I don’t exactly have full faith and confidence that the group will play them correctly next time either, unless there is a big change in the MEC. HR’s targeted selection ensures the house has the advantage when it comes to the pilot group playing their cards...
Definitely not just the pilots. I’m sure I’m dreaming but a large company wide FU might do it. That has always been my point it’s not just about us. You think your PS was bad what do you think an AO got who deals with way more crap vs what we do.
I’ll say it again that’s why the educational posts that were respectful on HJB from pilots were great. The company isn’t able to just say it’s those annoying pilots. And for once was challenged on their talking points.
Who knows I doubt anything changes but if something does it would come from all workgroups.
But they could do an LOA it could happen. “Could”
03-18-2019 | 01:05 PM
#130
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Personally, IDGAF about profit sharing. My first few years here we got zero profit sharing with the OLD formula. Remember the "return to profitability" campaign?
I'd rather spend negotiating capital getting higher pay rates. That's guaranteed income that isn't reliant upon whatever "profits" the company is willing to show on the books. I understand why people are ****ed when they see Delta's PS. But that was negotiated a long time ago when Delta wasn't profitable. We will have to wait for a downturn to make gains there, and that's a bad time to make gains in other areas, unfortunately.
I'd rather spend negotiating capital getting higher pay rates. That's guaranteed income that isn't reliant upon whatever "profits" the company is willing to show on the books. I understand why people are ****ed when they see Delta's PS. But that was negotiated a long time ago when Delta wasn't profitable. We will have to wait for a downturn to make gains there, and that's a bad time to make gains in other areas, unfortunately.
In the 90’s their PS was higher than their current formula. It went down to its current firm in the 2000’s.
So b6 ALPA is half way telling the truth which is kind way of saying: they are lying.
The reason we did not get PS under the old formula was simple.
The cliff.
Every year between 2007 and 2014 we should have received at least 4.8%. But the cliff took it to fund the 401k.
Under the classic pre 2007 formula we would have revived no less than 7%.
But ELT kept hitting it and stealing the funds (changing the formula) that many think PS has no value.
Really dumb!!!
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